| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago |
| To me the only acceptable answer would be “what do you mean?” or “can you clarify?” if we were to take the question seriously to begin with. People don’t intentionally communicate with riddles and subliminal messages unless they have some hidden agenda. |
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| ▲ | piker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Thing is, it's not a riddle or a subliminal message. Everything needed to answer the question is contained therein. |
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| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you want to argue that, then you could also argue that everything needed to challenge the questions’ motives and its validity is also contained therein. This reminds me of people who answer with “Yes” when presented with options where both can be true but the expected outcome is to pick one. For example, the infamous: “Will you be paying with cash or credit sir?” then the humorous “Yes.” |
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| ▲ | felix089 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you were forced to answer either or, which one would you pick? I think that's where the interesting dynamic comes from. Most humans would pick drive, also seen in the human control, even if it is lower that I thought it'd be |
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| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, though then we’re in la la land. What’s a real life example of being forced to answer an absurd question other than riddles, games, etc? No longer a valid question through normal discourse at that point, and if context isn’t provided then I think the expected outcome still is to ask for clarification. |
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| ▲ | streetfighter64 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How is that a "subliminal message"? It's just a simple example of common sense, which LLMs fail because they can't reason, not because they are "overthinking". If somebody asks, "What's 2+2?", they might be insulting you, but that doesn't mean the answer is anything other than 4. |
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| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s common sense to ask a question in riddle format? What’s the goal of the person asking the question? To challenge the other person? In what way? See if they get the obvious? Asking for clarification isn’t valid? | | |
| ▲ | streetfighter64 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's common sense to know that you need to have your car with you to wash it. Asking the question is a challenge in the obvious yes. If you asked an AI "what's 2+2" and it said 3, would you argue that the question was a trick question? | | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No. I would expect it to say 4 given that has an objective answer. For the other, without any context whatsoever, I would prefer the answer of clarifying. I would be okay if the way it asked for clarification came with: “What do you mean walk or drive? I don’t understand the options given you would need your car at the car wash. Is there something else I should know?” | | |
| ▲ | streetfighter64 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "What do you mean two plus two? I don't understand the question given that it's basic math. Is there something else I should know?" | | |
| ▲ | hmokiguess 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I fail to see how these things are one and the same. I get the point you are making, I just don't agree with it. 2+2 is a complete expression, the other is grammatically correct but logically flawed. Where is the logical fallacy in 2+2? |
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