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solatic 4 hours ago

No priest will feed sufficient context about their community into the context window - even if they were skilled enough to do so, unless the model was locally hosted, doing so would be a violation of their vows of silence.

Good homilies are written with the particular community in mind. If it were more effective to write a homily for a generic public, the Vatican would have started publishing standard homilies long ago.

adrianN 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You have a lot of faith in the qualities of average priests.

soderfoo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair, faith is the crux of Catholicism.

lo_zamoyski an hour ago | parent [-]

I assume this was intended as a joke, even if it is one that doesn’t land? Because it’s not clear what this could mean otherwise.

Brendinooo 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

No, "faith" is actually an integral component of "the Christian faith".

Go read the first part of Acts 4, where a section closes with: "Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were astonished. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus." So...yes! We do believe in a God that can empower average people to speak in above-average ways.

Lapsa 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I find it funny

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altmanaltman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

we have vibe coding priests before GTA VI

1718627440 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the Vatican would have started publishing standard homilies long ago.

There actually are, but they are famous homilies from famous Church Fathers rather then explicitly produced to be standard homilies.

Meekro 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This priest agrees with you, and has expressed concerns about mediocre homilies that don't speak to the concerns of the particular community: https://youtu.be/pgZXCPCATmc?si=FM4uj2owYBVK_8Mh

Herodotus38 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are resources that publish homilies for priests to give. Here is an example for English speakers.

https://associationofcatholicpriests.ie/liturgy/sunday-resou...

onion2k 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No priest will feed sufficient context about their community into the context window

But they will try, and they'll share a lot of potentially private information in the process.

graemep 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not to write homilies though. The real danger of risking exposing private information would be pastoral work.

h33t-l4x0r 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well maybe they just need to start recording confessionals. Just imagine what Gemini 3.1 could do with 1M tokens of that stuff.

fainpul 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Gemini 3.1 – I don't remember that verse. Is that from the old testament?

rubslopes 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's from the Orange Catholic Bible, I think.

"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

TheSpiceIsLife 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Forgive me father for I have sinned. It has been three minutes since I shit posted on HN, and my greentext stories are famous on 4chan. Also, after lunch today I send 300 emails to Jeffrey Epstein using my work email and signed with my real name. What a great guy!

stratocumulus0 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was raised Catholic and even though the last time I've been to a church could have been in 2019, I don't remember any priest who wouldn't just gloss over the religious content for the day (copied from an online source), itching to share his politics and the most recent ragebait he's got from Facebook at the end.

aubanel 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's a bit harsh! I go to mass every Sunday (in France) and rarely have political stuff. When there, it's most often about abortion or euthanasia (of course in a pro-life (or anti-choice) direction, "you shall not kill")

But dull, empty homilies are (alas) very frequent.

stratocumulus0 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Catholicism is different in every country, I would imagine that a church in a secular place such as France would contain itself a bit, because there's no societal expectation that anyone should follow its religion, and therefore the priests have to put in effort into making people stay. In Poland, where I grew up, the Church still holds a lot of power and prestige, and priests consider themselves to have authority over people's lives. Leaving the church is seen as more of a childish rebellion, and I would often hear mocking remarks about non-believers in homilies.

sigmoid10 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It also varies inside countries. Some priests are simply more demure than others. The church as an institution certainly prefers the more radical conservatives as you go higher up the chain, but many low level employees that still talk to commoners do realize that these views are going to put off more people than they attract in developed countries. So in the long term they will only be left with a bunch of crazy radicalists and a silent majority that wants absolutely nothing to do with them.

lo_zamoyski an hour ago | parent [-]

This description is not accurate in the least and a strange characterization. I don’t know where you got this information.

aarroyoc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The last time I attended a mass (Spain) it was about some people in the village that were not helping the church enough (with an activity they had to do but also I think there was some money involved) but it was a bit cryptic, so only the ones that were directed the message to could fully understand it.

SanjayMehta 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's always money involved.

mountainb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have heard phoned in homilies from some priests but this is not accurate in the United States based on my travels and weekly local attendance. Sorry that you had a bad experience.

seba_dos1 an hour ago | parent [-]

I can assure you that their experience wasn't in any way exceptional. It may be different in the US as Catholicism is in the minority in there (~20%), while GP's experience is from a place absolutely dominated by it (>90%).

cafard 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This is in the US? I have rarely heard political homilies.

curtisblaine 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nit: you're confusing the vow of silence with the confessional seal.

graemep 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Its more than a nit. It only applies to confession so putting in other private information would not break a vow, but it would still be a very bad thing to do.

lo_zamoyski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> doing so would be a violation of their vows of silence

I don’t know what this means. There is no formal “vow of silence”. The closest things I can think of are the discipline of avoiding unnecessary speech in some monastic communities, or perhaps the seal of confession, but this doesn’t apply as priests can speak in generalities or anonymously about the kinds of moral issues people struggle with.

> Good homilies are written with the particular community in mind.

That’s a bit of a generalization. Many, if not most, readings simply benefit from clear explanation. Tying in local or cultural context can be helpful, but they can also be a distraction, and mostly, homilies should be about the essential meaning of the readings. By having to write the homily, the celebrant benefits from writing the homily as well, a benefit he would lose if he simply drew from a corpus of prewritten homilies.

harimau777 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Catholic priests are forbidden from revealing anything they learn in confession under ANY circumstances. If someone comes in and confesses to a crime or that they are planning a crime, the priest can advise them to go to the police, they can counsel them that they may be in danger of hellfire if they do not, but they absolutely cannot tell anyone. The Catholic Church takes this very seriously. It is fully expected that a priest would die rather than break the confidentiality of confessions.

andrepd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have been further away from OMM 0000 than we are today, that's for sure.

refsys 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"We value your privacy! Do you consent to sharing the contents of your confession with our 2137 partners? [ACCEPT ALL] [MAYBE LATER]"

Tenemo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Was the number of partners you picked random or you chose 2137 on purpose? As it's actually somewhat related to the topic...

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refsys 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Entirely random of course. I would never reference unsavory memes about past Popes or anything like that.

anal_reactor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bro as a kid I used to go to church every Sunday and I guarantee that not a single person from my entire village understood what the priest was saying, including the priest himself, who was simply reading whatever higher-ups had given him. It was perfect slop because literally nobody cared about the content, it was all form - it needed to sound important and complicated enough to be able to be used in religious rituals. This is an excellent use case for LLMs because they excel at exactly that.

Imagine a bunch of bushmen trying to perform the spell of rain. It doesn't matter what they sing, as long as it sounds like something that could pass as the spell of rain, because the goal here isn't to make rain happen, it's to strengthen the community through shared rituals. 99% of religious activities are exactly this.

gambiting 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>>Bro as a kid I used to go to church every Sunday

I mean, not to dismiss your experience, but in my weekly Sunday going to church in Poland the priest would write an actual homily that felt relevant to the community. But then our small town had 3 churches, and each one had a different style - people would talk about preferring one over the other because they had more interesting "content".

But yeah, there was the message from the regional Bishop or the Archbishop of Poland or sometimes directly from the Vatican, then the reading from the old testament, then the homily which I'm 99% was written by the priest giving the mass.

>> I guarantee that not a single person from my entire village understood what the priest was saying

Well, I wouldn't say not a single person did, but yeah, we had those 3 churches, probably 10k seats each, every one was rammed on the sunday, but I'd say 90% of people there were only there to tick it off and snoozed through the whole thing. But it's not because the homily was boring, it's because going to church on sunday was(maybe still is?) a thing you have to do or people will make fun out of you.

anal_reactor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Your village had proper healthy capitalist market. In mine, there was complete religious monopoly.

Layogtima 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Healthy capitalist market is one helluva oxymoron

viraptor an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm glad that priests are well known for always obeying rules and never abusing their position. /s

lotsofpulp an hour ago | parent [-]

I don’t understand why you’re downvoted. “No priest would ever break rules” is such a strong and ridiculous claim that I thought solatic was trolling.