| ▲ | jacquesm 4 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper. There is value in being able to automate things, but there is far more value in being able to first to learn how to do stuff yourself. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | simpaticoder 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Completely agree. One issue that I never hear mentioned is how disconnected parents become from their child's progress when there are no more paper books. It used to be that you'd progress from start to finish of a book over a term, and a parent could, at a glance, see what you should know and what you're about to learn. Now kids don't get books (which I think would surprise many parents and non-parents alike). Parents literally don't know what their child is learning at any point in time without asking them, and that is unreliable to say the least. Computers in school was supposed to be "an experiment" but everyone has decided, without proof, that it's great and therefore more screens in schools is great. Maybe in the 80's and 90's having computer knowledge was a valid shibboleth for "being smart" but it hasn't been true for 30 years. "Computer knowledge" has displaced "knowledge" in a zero-sum fashion, and it's getting worse. My son is in the "gifted" program at his school which means they sit him down for 3 extra hours to play the Pokemon rip-off with trivia interspersed called "Prodigy". The public school system is in an unenviable state, being the fulcrum of vast societal forces and disagreements with the highest possible stakes. The districts are terrified of parents starting litigation against the school for any reason, which is why many of them have rules against ALL teacher physical contact with students, including holding the hand of pre-K, K and first graders, including stopping fights. They're supposed to tell the child no, and in the case of fights, distance themselves and call the police. In elementary school, there are no books, no teaching of handwriting, and 30 minutes of recess a day - if they're lucky. If they misbehave, taking away recess is the teacher's recourse. Plus of course the schools are locked down like prisons, they have "code red" shooter drills once a month, every teacher has a panic button around their neck. No-one walks or rides their bike (at least not in elementary school). All of this is new, all of it is bad, and for some reason no-one seems to notice. I think it's in part that the kids don't know any different, so for them this all seems normal. Those of us having kids recently are shocked at all the changes, shocked that they've happened so quickly, and so silently. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | beej71 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Pretty simple solution: all tech out of schools, back to paper. That'll do something, but making maximally-capable individuals probably ain't it. There's a balance to be struck here. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Morromist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I don't agree with them but many people now say that in 10-20 years computers will become magical thinking machines that can do pretty nearly any cognitive task. At that point I wonder what the point of learning technology will be? Perhaps it would be best to learn about logic and how the world works so you can interact with these magical machines more effectively, and not learn much about how the machines actually work - you won't be tinkering with their insides anyway. So yeah, if that comes to pass why not go back to paper. Have the kids study science, logic, history, etc and forget about technology, except for the few weird ones who just can't keep away from it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
This only works if you can isolate your society from having to compete with others. Like American kids will have to compete with Chinese kids who are learning AI in middle school, and not just “I can write a prompt” AI. But then those kids are also starting to learn calculus while our middle schools claim algebra is too advanced for 8th graders. Sigh. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | dzdt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What percent of the kind of development that standardized tests measure do you think occurs within the context of the school building? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | dyauspitr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
All tech out is too drastic but I agree it must be severely curtailed. There need to be computer labs and an emphasis on research which shouldn’t go back to asking the librarian for printed material in a library. Research online is supercharged and should not be done away with. Other than that though, paper textbooks, paper notes, written on premises examinations should all be bought back. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||