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a115ltd 11 hours ago

This is just one micro-instance of a much larger thing. Brain encodes structural similarity across modalities. Corollary: language is far from arbitrary labels for things.

andrewflnr 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No, language is still pretty close to arbitrary labels. The handful of tenuous common threads like the bouba-kiki effect don't change the overall picture that much. The simple fact that language varies as much as it does is sufficient to prove that it's only loosely bound to anything universal.

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downboots 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

suddenlybananas 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>language is far from arbitrary labels for things

I think this is a misunderstanding of the arbitrariness of the sign. Arbitrary doesn't mean "random" or "uniformly sampled." The fact there are systematic tendencies among languages in how things are called doesn't negate the arbitrariness of the sign, they could have been called other things. We can also decide to refer to things by another name and we can use any arbitrary name we like! There is no limits on what names we can use (besides silly physiological constraints like having a word with 50 000 consonants). But, of course, there's much more to language than just labels!

For me, the interesting thing in this paper vis-à-vis language is that it shows how much innate structure in cognition must shape our language.

naniwaduni 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Arbitrariness of the sign is a principle that requires so many epicycles to present as "true" that it's more of a warning against overgeneralization than an insight with any significant predictive power in its own right.

suddenlybananas an hour ago | parent [-]

Let's call the arbitrariness of the sign, blinga. Why do you think blinga requires "epicycles"? Blinga makes pretty modest claims: there is no requirement that the form of a sign matches that which it signifies in any way.