He is now an LLM/IT influencer who promotes any new monstrosity. We are now in the Mongrel/Docker/Kubernetes stage because LLMs do not deliver and one needs to construct a circus around them.

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logicprog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This doesn't seem to be promoting every new monstrosity?

"m definitely a bit sus'd to run OpenClaw specifically - giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all. Already seeing reports of exposed instances, RCE vulnerabilities, supply chain poisoning, malicious or compromised skills in the registry, it feels like a complete wild west and a security nightmare. But I do love the concept and I think that just like LLM agents were a new layer on top of LLMs, Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents, taking the orchestration, scheduling, context, tool calls and a kind of persistence to a next level.

Looking around, and given that the high level idea is clear, there are a lot of smaller Claws starting to pop out."

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leprechaun1066 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> just like LLM agents were a new layer on top of LLMs, Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents, taking the orchestration, scheduling, context, tool calls and a kind of persistence to a next level.

Layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...

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logicprog 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, in the interest of full disclosure, while Claws seem like a fun toy to me, I tried ZeroClaw out and it was... kind of awful. There's no ability to see what tools agents are running, and what the results of those tools are, or cancel actions, or anything, and tools fail often enough (if you're trying to mind security to at least some degree) that the things just hallucinate wildly and don't do anything useful.

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embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...

I mean we're on layer ~10 or something already right? What's the harm with one or two more layers? It's not the typical JavaScript developer understands all layers down to what the hardware is doing anyways.

	▲	andsoitis an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I will assume you know that comparison is apples and oranges. If you don’t, I’d be happy to explain.

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irthomasthomas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what people read: AI Scientist says blah blah blah claws is very cool. Buy Mac, be happy.

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aeve890 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you read the part where he loves all this shit regardless? That's basically an endorsement. Like after coined the vibe coding term now every moron will be scrambling to write about this "new layer".

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dkersten 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet wasn’t he one of the first to run it and was one of the many people to have a bunch of his data leaked?

	▲	simonw an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You're confusing OpenClaw and Moltbook there. Moltbook was the absurdist art project with bots chatting to each other, which leaked a bunch of Moltbook-specific API keys. If someone got hold of that they could post on Moltbook as your bot account. I wouldn't call that "a bunch of his data leaked".
	▲	elefanten an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Source on that? Hadn’t seen that
	▲	yunohn an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Indeed, via the related moltbook project that he was also hyping - https://x.com/theonejvo/status/2017732898632437932

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JKCalhoun 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I expect him to be LLM curious.

If he has influence it is because we concede it to him (and I have to say that I think he has worked to earn that).

He could say nothing of course but it's clear that is not his personality—he seems to enjoy helping to bridge the gap between the LLM insiders and researchers and the rest of us that are trying to keep up (…with what the hell is going on).

And I suspect if any of us were in his shoes, we would get deluged with people who are constantly engaging us, trying to illicit our take on some new LLM outcrop, turn of events. It would be hard to stay silent.

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alansaber 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We construct a circus around everything, that's the nature of human attention :), why are people so surprised by pop compsci when pop physics has been around forever.

	▲	strix_varius an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Pop physics influences less of our day-to-day lives though.

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trvz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLMs alone may not deliver, but LLMs wrapped in agentic harnesses most certainly do.

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make_it_sure 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

so what's your point? he should just not get involved in the most discussed topic in the last month and highest growth OS project?

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GTP 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> highest growth OS project

Did you mean OSS, or I'm missing some big news in the operating systems world?

	▲	tomrod an hour ago \| parent [-]
		OSS is less common than the full words with same number of syllables, Open Source, which means the same thing as OSS and is sometimes acryonymized to OS by folks who weren't deeply entrenched in the 1998 to 2004 scene.