This doesn't seem to be promoting every new monstrosity?

"m definitely a bit sus'd to run OpenClaw specifically - giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all. Already seeing reports of exposed instances, RCE vulnerabilities, supply chain poisoning, malicious or compromised skills in the registry, it feels like a complete wild west and a security nightmare. But I do love the concept and I think that just like LLM agents were a new layer on top of LLMs, Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents, taking the orchestration, scheduling, context, tool calls and a kind of persistence to a next level.

Looking around, and given that the high level idea is clear, there are a lot of smaller Claws starting to pop out."

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leprechaun1066 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> just like LLM agents were a new layer on top of LLMs, Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents, taking the orchestration, scheduling, context, tool calls and a kind of persistence to a next level.

Layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...

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logicprog 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, in the interest of full disclosure, while Claws seem like a fun toy to me, I tried ZeroClaw out and it was... kind of awful. There's no ability to see what tools agents are running, and what the results of those tools are, or cancel actions, or anything, and tools fail often enough (if you're trying to mind security to at least some degree) that the things just hallucinate wildly and don't do anything useful.

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embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing" on top of other layers of "I have no idea what the machine is doing". This will end well...

I mean we're on layer ~10 or something already right? What's the harm with one or two more layers? It's not the typical JavaScript developer understands all layers down to what the hardware is doing anyways.

	▲	andsoitis an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I will assume you know that comparison is apples and oranges. If you don’t, I’d be happy to explain.

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irthomasthomas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what people read: AI Scientist says blah blah blah claws is very cool. Buy Mac, be happy.

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aeve890 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you read the part where he loves all this shit regardless? That's basically an endorsement. Like after coined the vibe coding term now every moron will be scrambling to write about this "new layer".

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dkersten 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet wasn’t he one of the first to run it and was one of the many people to have a bunch of his data leaked?

	▲	simonw an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You're confusing OpenClaw and Moltbook there. Moltbook was the absurdist art project with bots chatting to each other, which leaked a bunch of Moltbook-specific API keys. If someone got hold of that they could post on Moltbook as your bot account. I wouldn't call that "a bunch of his data leaked".
	▲	elefanten an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Source on that? Hadn’t seen that
	▲	yunohn an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Indeed, via the related moltbook project that he was also hyping - https://x.com/theonejvo/status/2017732898632437932