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mullingitover 6 hours ago

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion.

All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense.

A handful of enterprising activists could blind all the flock cameras in a region in a day or two, and without destroying them, which makes it less of an overtly criminal act.

Obviously not advocating this, just pointing out that flock is very vulnerable to this very simple attack from activists.

idle_zealot 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The goal here by activists isn't to directly physically disarm every camera. Like with any act of protest, it's at least as much about the optics and influence of public opinion. Visibly destroying the units is more cathartic and spreads the message of displeasure better. Ultimately what needs to change is public perception and policy.

andrewflnr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it's about sending a message, I think using a drone to defeat mass surveillance is quite evocative.

themafia 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. It will invoke the state to pass even more draconian laws surrounding useful technology.

You want to evoke the people and not the state.

reactordev 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That poor printer in Office Space…

mullingitover 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, but por que no los dos.

One or two cameras getting bashed is basically a fart in the wind for flock, and I'd argue that it doesn't actually move the needle in any direction as far as public opinion goes. Those who dislike them don't need further convincing, those who support them are not going to have their opinion changed by property destruction (it might make them support surveillance more, in fact).

But hey, it's provocative I guess.

On the other hand flock losing their entire fleet is an existential problem for them, and for all the customers they're charging for the use of that fleet. Their BoD will want answers about why the officers of the company are harming shareholders with the way they're operating the business. Cities that have contracts with them may have grounds to terminate them, etc etc.

stavros 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would I fly an expensive drone close to a camera, fumble about for a minute trying to get it painted like a renaissance artist, when I can get a paintball gun for much less?

culi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Or use a powerful enough laser pointer. Bonus points if you use infrared since other humans can't see the beam and won't know what you're up to.

Though you either need a laser powerful enough to harm human eyes or lots of patience. Hong Kong protesters innovated a lot of these sort of resistance using lasers

shawn_w 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So you can do it without your image being captured by the camera?

stavros 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The camera doesn't have a 360 field of vision, besides COVID masks aren't uncommon now.

bigiain 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Where I am (Sydney Australia) we have fixed speed cameras that automatically create speeding fines to drivers going too fast (well, technically the registered owner of the vehicle via ANPR).

They eventually had to equip pretty much every speed camera with a speed camera camera, usually on a much higher pole to make vandalism more difficult.

terminalshort 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This will never be a thing in America. Good luck putting the camera on a pole higher than a redneck can shoot a rifle.

andwur 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sounds like a new remit for the NRO. Park a billion dollar satellite over an area to keep an eye out for petty vandalism. Then the sheriffs office can team up with Space Force: papers will be served immediately by LEO MIRV deployment, which may also count as execution depending on visibility and aim on the day.

/s - but it wouldn't surprise me at the rate things are going.

monksy 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.wsfa.com/2026/02/07/police-use-drone-technology-...

etrautmann 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We already have speed cameras Al over NYC. Often the posted speeds there are 25 leading to some absurd tickets.

stavros 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oof, I really hate this automated enforcement. Might be time to get a paintball gun.

seanmcdirmid 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And this is the reason I can’t wait for self driving cars that just follow the speed limit.

appplication 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Tbh an overpowered laser off alibaba probably works a lot better at longer range

altairprime 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

[delayed]

staringforward 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Might be time to get a paintball gun

Just wait until you find out that paintball guns are considered firearms are require licensing in the aforementioned region.

zoklet-enjoyer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I played paintball in Australia and I just had to sign a normal waiver about them not being responsible for injuries

andwur 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ownership of paintball guns is regulated under the state-level firearms act in most (all?) states and territories.

You can use them under the direct supervision of the licensed owner, but it's still quite restrictive. If you were to take one and shoot at cameras on the street it would vandalism plus firearms offences, most of which start at inversion of innocence, massive fines and move pretty quickly into prison time.

lotsofpulp 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What else could make life safer at a realistic cost for people outside of vehicles?

redwall_hp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Urban planning that separates pedestrians and vehicles.

Roads that are narrow in places where a lower speed is desirable.

Heavy taxation on vehicles with more mass and lower visibility.

Actual licensing standards other than driving down a couple of city streets and parking.

More crossings, with lights or bridges, instead of long four-lane arterial roads with nowhere to safely cross.

stavros 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Where I live, the speed limit keeps getting reduced so the city can make money off of fines, especially because nobody follows speed limits that are ridiculously low for wide, straight roads where following the limit would make traffic ground to a halt.

dsl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When Flock helps you lay out camera placements they make sure camera pairs are facing each other.

nozzlegear 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you want to hit the lens with the paintball gun, wouldn't you need to be in its field of vision?

maplethorpe 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The wind could curve the ball around slightly.

stavros 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It depends if its field of vision is 180° or 10°.

dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Drones with a paintball gun attached?

Realistically that’s going to attract a lot of negative attention.

BuyMyBitcoins 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The use of a drone also ups the ante from a prosecutor’s perspective. Charging a vandal caught with a paintbrush and a ladder is nothing out of the ordinary. A routine misdemeanor.

Someone who has the wherewithal to jerry rig a paintball gun to a drone is someone scary. Plus, any officer who witnesses such a drone is almost certainly going to misidentify the paintball gun as an actual gun. I can imagine the operator would be charged with several felonies.

AngryData 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah like we gotta be serious here, US cops and courts are out to screw people over because that is how they increase their budget, pay, and bonuses. If they think they can twist some law into giving you a felony, they will, regardless of the spirit of the law.

Attaching any kind of potential weapon on a drone has no real precedent so they can dig through 19th century law and combine it with some 21st century law and punishment and screw your life over with bull crap unless you got $100K+ sitting around to throw on a good lawyer. The risk of being caught may be a bit lower, but the potential punishment if caught could be absolutely enormous.

dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think they make commercial paintballs with hard to remove enamel or tempura paints.

martin-t 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Last I heard, putting a glock on a quadcopter was creating an "illegal weapon system" or similar fancy sounding BS but I wonder what the accusation would be for a paintball gun on a drone?

Must less recoil too.

Arainach 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't think there's a drone in this proposal.

On the list of "laws you don't want to screw with", National Firearms Act violations are high on my list. Regardless of whether something is or isn't a violation, I'm certainly not interested in paying expensive lawyers to argue they're not.

Rapzid 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The should disable them all in an area and pile them on a platter in a public space. Like a CiCi's takeover.

SoftTalker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The point of civil disobedience is to get arrested. That's what calls attention to the injustice of the thing being protested against.

michaelmrose an hour ago | parent [-]

The point of resistance is commonly to harm the counterparty in a fashion that the perpetrator finds morally acceptable such as to disincentivize them not convince them.

Vietnamese vs US Grunts not cute useless protestors holding signs that threaten to hold different signs longer.

robotnikman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Somewhat related, I'm pretty sure there was a guy in China who did exactly this as protest against their surveillance. Seems effective.

api 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In Minecraft it’s well known that lasers of even moderate power can ruin camera sensors. Only in Minecraft though.

dsl an hour ago | parent | next [-]

LIDAR has been screwing up traffic cameras.

uoaei 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Reflections are a concern regarding bystanders' eye safety, be safe.

michaelmrose an hour ago | parent [-]

What is the threshold for eye vs sensor damage and am I correct in assuming that duration is a factor. Basically less juice for a longer duration ruins a sensor but humans blink? For science.

tiagod 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Goring them is about sending a message.

vorpalhex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You want to fly a multi-hundred dollar device loaded with radios that constantly broadcasts out a unique ID and possibly your FAA ID and use it for crime?

Or even better yet, get arrested halfway to trying to dip your drone into paint on a sidewalk?

Just throw a rock at the stupid thing.

logankeenan 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Do all drones do this now? Is this required by law for manufacturers to implement?

tastyfreeze 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Drones over 250 grams or for any drone operated commercially under part 107 registration is required. But, its easy to just build your own or desolder the id chip if you dont want it.

eichin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_ID in the US (FAA) at least.

petre an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because destroying them sends a different message. People want them gone, not merely disabled. They're not joking or messing around with drones and tempera about it. Using a firearm to wreck the camera lens before tearing the whole thing down would be nice though.

uoaei 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That would be detectable by the FAA and they would send the FBI after you, unless you used a junk toy drone but that would not cover much distance between charges.

dyauspitr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why wouldn’t you advocate it? A much easier way of doing this is using paintballs with the appropriate paint.

martin-t 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Why wouldn’t you advocate it?

Because advocating things which are moral/ethical but illegal is often against the TOS :(

We need laws which are explicitly based on moral principles. Barring that, we should at least have laws which treat sufficiently large platforms as utilities and forbid them from performing censorship without due process.

michaelmrose an hour ago | parent [-]

You think we should give people being moderated on a forum due process? How would we ever run forums if every contentious and necessary moderation action could lead to a 5k-50k legal bill.

soulofmischief 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> A handful of enterprising activists could blind all the flock cameras in a region in a day or two, and without destroying them, which makes it less of an overtly criminal act

No, that would likely end in a RICO or terrorism case if it continued. Just because the cameras aren't destroyed doesn't mean CorpGov won't want to teach a lesson.

toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can put a garbage bag over them if you don’t want to sawzall the pole and dispose of the hardware.

cheonn638 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense

Americans don’t care enough

Too busy enjoying S&P500 near 7,000 and US$84,000/year median household income

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint

I (EDIT: hate) Flock Safety cameras. If someone did this in my town, I’d want them arrested.

They’re muddying the moral clarity of the anti-Flock messaging, the ultimate goal in any protest. And if they’re willing to damage that property, I’m not convinced they understand why they shouldn’t damage other property. (More confidently, I’m not convinced others believe they can tell the difference.)

Flock Safety messages on security. Undermining that pitch is helpful. Underwriting it with random acts of performative chaos plays into their appeal.

> flock is very vulnerable to this very simple attack

We live in a free society, i.e. one with significant individual autonomy. We’re all always very vulnerable. That’s the social contract. (The fact that folks actually contemplating violent attacks tend to be idiots helps, too.)

jbxntuehineoh 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oh no! Not property damage! We can't possibly go that far!

JumpCrisscross 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Not property damage! We can't possibly go that far!

Anyone can go that far. The question is if it’s smart. The answer is it’s not. Acting out one’s need for machismo on a good cause is just selfish.

If I were a Flock PR person, I’d be waiting for someone to pull a stunt like this. (Better: they shoot it.)

encrypted_bird 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I haste Flock Safety cameras.

Was this a typo? If not, what does "haste" mean in this context? (I'm not messing with you; I'm genuinely wondering.)

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It was a typo. Fixed.

malfist 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh please. Its tempera paint. It'll probably wash off in the next rain.

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Its tempera paint. It'll probably wash off in the next rain

If they do it right. If they don’t, it doesn’t. And between the action and the next rain, Flock Safety gets to message about vandalism.