| ▲ | aethrum 5 hours ago |
| They absolutely help my eyes not be so strained. If its placebo, its a working placebo. >Are people actually using Night Shift?
>Aggravatingly, yes. What is the authors problem lol? It feels a lot better on eyeballs to use warm light things. Why does he care? |
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| ▲ | taeric 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I find it somewhat pleasant, but by far the best thing I did to help my eye strain was greatly lower the brightness. Basically, I was told to make it so that my phone's camera could see something on the screen and my desk at the same time without washing out. After doing that, I have found that the "temperature" of the screen doesn't really matter to me that heavily. |
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| ▲ | kpw94 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Basically, I was told to make it so that my phone's camera could see something on the screen and my desk at the same time without washing out +1. The low-tech version of this I've heard and I've been doing is: Hold a printed white paper sheet right next to your monitor, and adjust the amount of brightness in monitor so the monitor matches that sheet. This of course requires good overall room lightning where the printed paper would be pleasant to read in first place, whether it's daytime or evening/night | | |
| ▲ | taeric an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think this was what I was told the first time. The advantage of taking a picture with my phone's camera is it kind of made it obvious just how much brighter the screen was then the paper. Which, fair that it may be obvious to others to just scan their eyes from screen to paper. I've been surprised with how much people will just accept the time their eyes have to adjust to a super bright screen. Almost like it doesn't register with them. |
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| ▲ | tartoran 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I confirm that this helps me as well. Quite often I don't have any fancy filter, I'm permanently setting display/monitor to low temperature and my eyes/vision couldn't be happier. I don't even need darkmode, regular mode works just fine for me as long as blue light is toned down. Granted, I'm not doing any color correction or anything color sensitive work. I used to have terrible headaches about 20 years ago when I started spending a lot of time in front of the screen. I went to an optometrist who tested my eyes and told me I could get low prescriptions (.5) but warned me that there's no way back and that many people are fine with my current vision, choosing not to get a prescription. Luckily I figured out that it was blue light that was bothering me and once I turned it down I haven't had any problems since. I'm in my mid 40s and my vision has naturally deteriorated a bit but I am still fine with no prescriptions. And I don't believe this to be placebo. Every time I stare at a regular screen for longer than 5 minutes I get eye strain. At the same time I suspect this doesn't help everyone, but at least to me this is a great solution that still works. |
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| ▲ | cellularmitosis 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can you elaborate on “no way back”? | | |
| ▲ | denkmoon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not OP, but when I got glasses as an adult and while they really improved the sharpness of my vision I could feel my unassisted vision getting worse, so I stopped using them and get by with slightly unfocused but unassisted vision. I assume if I wore them full time my unassisted vision would degrade to the point where I then need the glasses full time. | | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your assumption was false.[1] [1] https://health.clevelandclinic.org/do-glasses-make-your-eyes... | |
| ▲ | maccard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I got glasses 2 years ago for a very minor prescription. Your eyesight sucked before you’ve just forgotten how badly. I had an eye test very recently for
Contacts and my prescription is the same 2 years later | |
| ▲ | ifwinterco 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've got half a diopter (ish) of astigmatism in my right eye and it can be slightly annoying but interesting to know that using glasses would risk making it worse. The weird thing is it seems to get noticeably worse or better depending on how much time I spend outside |
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| ▲ | tartoran 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I meant that once you decide to wear prescription optics you can’t go back to not wearing them, of course excluding eye surgery. In my case I could stick to good enough vision and luckily 20 years later Im still not wearing glasses. My main point was that I was getting eye strain from blue light and once I reduced it the problem dissapeared. | | |
| ▲ | nsxwolf 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This isn’t true? Myopia develops rapidly in youth then stabilizes in adulthood. It gets a worse with age, not corrective lenses. Then sometime after 40 you flip to presbyopia when your lenses lose flexibility. | | |
| ▲ | tartoran an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don't have severe myopia and I'm fine with no glasses for now. The optometrist detected .5 correction needed but advised me to not go for it for the reason I mentioned. I think they are more qualified to give this advice than some rando on the internet. If they were a mercenary they'd tell me to go for it, that optometry practice was part of an eye glasses store and I'm sure they'd gain from my business there. And here I am 20 years later not wearing glasses yet. As I'm getting older my vision is getting slightly worse, I'll probably get to wear them at some point but that's beside the point. |
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| ▲ | schiffern 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Aggravatingly, you can't set Night Shift to actually be on 24/7. It always has a "seam" where it fades off and then turns back on. One trick is to schedule this as a bedtime reminder to put down the phone for the night (phone fasting). |
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| ▲ | himata4113 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I actually cannot use my monitor without nightshift, any white page just makes my eyes water, painful even. I had it off for a day when I switched to linux and immediately my eyes started drying out. Safe to say it works for making your eyes less tired at least. |
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| ▲ | amelius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you sure you are not also changing total luminance? |
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| ▲ | refulgentis 37 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They are, just, don't realize it. Anything off white will be < luminance than white. People replying they need it need to be turning their monitor brightness down. |
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| ▲ | metalliqaz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My Windows 10 PC glitches out most days where the 3rd monitor doesn't properly apply the Night Light setting. So I turn it off and on to fix it. The full blue brightness is awful and definitely harsh on my nighttime eyes. I'm not sure I could believe it's placebo |
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| ▲ | refulgentis 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is a placebo, it is an aesthetic thing. It is not something that helps anything at all physically. This was always well known. It didn't matter 5 years ago, 10 years ago, when OS added it. Easier to let it go than argue. But with HDR, it matters enormously people are well educated on this. Monitors are approximately light bulbs, and we've gone from staring into a 25W light bulb to a 200W one. (source: color scientist, built Google's color space) > What is the authors problem lol? It feels a lot better on eyeballs to use warm light things. Why does he care? I think it's better to avoid stuff like this. Been here 16 years and a flippant "whats his problem" "lol" and "why does he care" is 99th percentile disrespectful. It's not about what you're arguing, its just such a fundamental violation of what I perceive as the core tenant of HN, "come with curiosity." You are clearly curious, just, expressing it poorly. |
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| ▲ | thenewnewguy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not an MD or expert in this field enough to know if OP is right or wrong, but I think it's fairly reasonable to be irritated people are claiming software has a health benefit based on vibes/feels. I thought we as a society had moved on from superstition to evidence-based medicine, but in this very post there are plenty of replies countering OP's scientific analysis and data with anecdotes (which is disappointing regardless of if TFA is correct or incorrect). |
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| ▲ | jack_pp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is it superstition to deduce that I get gassy after eating beans? I need a scientific study to tell me this? Same for if a screen hurts my eyes (not long term, like truly my eyes hurt) when using bright white colors at night. | | |
| ▲ | thenewnewguy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, actually, if someone has direct scientific evidence contrary to the claim (I doubt such evidence exists for your first example as to the best of my knowledge the relationship between beans and gastrointestinal changes is well understood). Your eyes could hurt for a variety of reasons - brightness, too long screen time, being dry for external reasons, etc. Most humans are poor at identifying the cause of one-off events: you may think it's because you turned on a blue-light filter, but it actually could be because you used your phone for an hour less. That's why we have science to actually isolate variables and prove (or at least gather strong evidence for) things about the world, and why doctors don't (or at least shouldn't) make health-related recommendations based on vibes. | | |
| ▲ | crazygringo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > if someone has direct scientific evidence contrary to the claim Except they don't. This is evidence about one potential mechanism. Not evidence saying there are no other potential mechanisms. This is actually a very common mistake in popular science writing, to confuse the two. | |
| ▲ | jack_pp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's pretty clear, even on monitor, night and day difference at a push of a button. I'm not arguing if this helps you sleep better but it is pretty arrogant of you to tell me I can't figure out from my own experience if something is comfortable or not. | | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s about the equivalent of someone claiming my saying I find woollen clothing directly touching my skin to be irritating / itchy requires double blind randomised controlled studies to determine whether this is true at the population level. There are eight billion of us, we can’t all be different, there must be at least some categories we can’t be sorted in to, maybe those who find woollen clothing itchy and those who don’t, and those who find blue-light reduction more comfortable and those who don’t. One of my pet theories is that this hyper fixation on The Ultimate Truth via The Scientific Method is what happens when a society mints PhDs at an absurd rate. We went up with a lot of people who learn more and more about less and less, and a set of people who idolise those people and their output. | |
| ▲ | BobaFloutist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody really cares if it's comfortable or not for you, the debate at hand is whether it's measurably more comfortable for the population at large. | | |
| ▲ | cgriswald 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s how it should be but the poster is literally calling the individual experiences of others “superstition”
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| ▲ | wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If your eyes routinely hurt when doing something, and then they stop routinely hurting after you make a change, that's pretty good reason to believe that there's a causal effect there. Sometimes the causality is clear enough that you don't need sophisticated science to figure it out. Did you know that the only randomized controlled trial on the effectiveness of parachutes at preventing injury and death when jumping out of an airplane found that there is no effect? Given that, do you believe there really is no effect? |
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| ▲ | geoduck14 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >I think it's fairly reasonable to be irritated people are pushing software based on vibes/feels. You are going to HATE to find out about night-mode in the browser | | |
| ▲ | thenewnewguy 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | To be fair, I should have said something like "claiming software has a health benefit based on vibes/feels". I personally prefer the look of night/dark mode (or whatever you call it) in apps and the browser, but I'm not going to claim it makes me healthier or improves my sleep or whatever. If you just like how something looks, that's fine, but there's a difference between "I like how X looks" (subjective opinion) than "X helps me sleep better" (difficult to prove but objectively true or false). Edit: Changed this in my original message as it seems multiple people got confused by my prior poor wording. | | |
| ▲ | thatcat 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not about how it looks aesthetically, you can feel your eye muscles release tension when you go from light to dark mode. | | |
| ▲ | 0x1ch 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | End of the day, dark mode would've been totally ignored if there wasn't a perceivable benefit, placebo or not. People want to make everything difficult, I guess. | |
| ▲ | IAmBroom 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As someone more trained in science than software, the phrase "you can feel..." is suspicious, even if it's my own feelings. Not invalid; suspicious. | | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | As a complete psychopath: If I put your hand in a vice and do the vice up to the point where you start saying you can feel the pressure… Yes, of course I’m going to be suspicious. Gaslighting doesn’t exist, you made that up because you’re fucking crazy. /s |
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| ▲ | taco_emoji 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I thought we as a society had moved on from superstition to evidence-based medicine Surely you didn't actually believe that unless you JUST landed here from space after being away for 60 years. | |
| ▲ | bob1029 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I think it's fairly reasonable to be irritated people are pushing software based on vibes/feels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_industry |
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| ▲ | KaiserPro 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| because if you read the article its about blue light filters to aid sleep not ease of reading. The the grift wheel on this particular bandwagon is strong. To the point where my fucking glasses have a blue filter on them, which fucks up my ability to do colour work becuase everything is orange. |
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| ▲ | cpburns2009 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Blue light filtering lenses come at a premium. You don't accidentally get them. | | | |
| ▲ | robinsonb5 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you wait long enough cataracts will give you that for free. |
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| ▲ | nsxwolf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I love Night Shift. |