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Daegalus 7 hours ago

Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year.

Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day)

I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin doesn't have IPv4, it wont route IPv4 to an IPv6 origin. Something Cloudflare could do. Still a shame its not a high priority.

For Domains, I am still on porkbun, but i have like 20 domains, and moving them to EU registrars would be pricey. I will do it, just not looking forward to it. Also there are few registrars tht handle all the TLDs i have, nothing like Porkbun. I use dot.bs to optimize my registrars and keep track of them.

I self-host a lot, but I haven't done github. I have a Forgejo instance with working CI/CD, but there are some painpoints mirroring 100s of repos and updating PATs. Also I minimize how much critical infra I host. I do it as my day job. Don't want to do it so much at home, and I still do some between NAS and self-hosted services I do run.

I do plan to try out Hanko and Nebius, those sound good. and Hit up scaleway to see if there is stuff I want to use there. I know Scaleway can be pricey.

wolfhumble 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> For Domains, I am still on porkbun, but i have like 20 domains, and moving them to EU registrars would be pricey. I will do it, just not looking forward to it. Also there are few registrars tht handle all the TLDs i have, nothing like Porkbun.

For .com domains, if the rationale is data sovereignty, GDPR simplicity, avoiding dependence on a handful of American hyperscalers, then from an operational standpoint I don’t see much value in using European-based registrars. Ultimately, these domains remain under U.S. control regardless. If the focus is 'stubbornness' [one of the points in the article], then of course you have other priorities.

Personally I am all for data sovereignty etc, but very seldom for country boycotts.

throwaway772549 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How has your experience with Bunny been? I'm quite split on it.

I used to work for a business in a pretty competitive area, where tactics like fake DMCA requests and abuse cases are routinely used to attempt to take down information, be it from Google, or from the CDN/hosting provider. While at first Bunny support seemed understanding of it, later they unceremoniously blocked the account on the basis of too many complaints having been filed, despite all of them being responded to in due time and being proven false.

OTOH, their support staff would respond lightning-fast, which was a breath of fresh air compared to other CDNs we used before.

I could see myself using Bunny for personal projects, or some non-vital business, but probably not for anything with lots of competition.

Daegalus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

To be honest, it's been flawless but since I mostly use it for personal or self hosting, I haven't had or deal with your situation. I have had to contact support and they are very fast.

I also use it to hide and protect my hetzner server.

It works well. My only gripe is the ipv6 thing

r_lee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's a super cheap "CDN" that runs on Hetzner and random hosts or their colo, it's not as proper as the other ones.

for anything DMCA heavy maybe just buying dedicated servers or something instead could work?

throwaway772549 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We used to expose the dedicated servers directly (i.e. no CDN at all), and while that was fine latency-wise, the lack of DDoS protection was really the limiting factor. E.g. Hetzner will just blackhole your subnet if you get DDoSed.

It feels rather unviable nowadays to run a business without some CDN/DDoS protection service in front of your website.

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grokx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Like the author, we self-host our git repos at work with Gitea, and it's working very well and brings a rather large set of features you'd expect from a GH alternative.

A great thing is that it's almost fully compatible with Github actions, so migrating an existing CI/CD should not be too painful. If you plan to move, make sure to read this first: https://docs.gitea.com/usage/actions/comparison#missing-feat...

For sure, it requires a bit of maintenance, mainly for updates, but that's all.

huijzer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Same can be said for Forgejo but then it’s not VC backed

sixtyj 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For CDN, you can try CDN77, they have servers all around the world. No affil, just they are based in Europe (Prague) :)

Daegalus 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Right now, I would only switch from Bunny if they allow IPv6-only origin servers and route IPv4 traffic to it.

Also no pricing and a "Talk to sales" only link. Which usually means super expensive, or B2B only. I pay like 10 cents a month on Bunny something

Sammi 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah yeah I see CDN77 has no signup button and just says "Talk to sales" instead. That's not helpful to small self hosters.

b112 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Even for big corp.

When I see "talk to sales" I just move on. I don't have time to waste on that.

dddw 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.

Daegalus 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Hmm, seems the good prices is only if you subscribe to their subscription. 5 euro a month or 50 euro a year, then the prices get slashed. Othewise their prices are expensive.

cge 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, comparing to Porkbun for .com and .net, it looks like you'd need at least around 10 domains before it became cost effective (the .org price there says it is time limited and I think does not reflect recent .org price increases).

There's also the matter that, ethically, openprovider seems to be heavily focusing on domain name speculators as clients; that may be a business many people would not want to support, and their services for people actually using their domains may be poor.

indigodaddy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why do you need to move from Porkbun though? I don't get it.

Daegalus 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Porkbun is based in Portland, Oregon, USA. I'm trying to move my infra to EU only stuff.

It was fine when I lived near Bellevue, Washington. And I did live 30 years in the US but I want to divest myself from that shitshow.

0123456789ABCDE 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

gp, like OP, are moving away from USA based infrastructure.

you ca see this on the footer of porkbun.com:

> Made in the USA

chb 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How does dot.bs make money? The about page and FAQ don’t explain what they’re monetizing.

Daegalus an hour ago | parent [-]

Why would it need to make money, it's just a registry of information and a small about page with a list of entries. It probably runs on sqlite on a single $5 VM. Or a single db.

Other than that, maybe ads

the_duke 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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rrr_oh_man 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No. This is not true. Hetzner is fully owned by a German company.

https://www.northdata.de/Hetzner+Online+GmbH,+Gunzenhausen/A...

And it wasn't true in 2022.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33864111

willy__ 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have a source for this? First time I am hearing about that one. The German hosting CEO circle is pretty intimate and I gathered that Martin Hetzner is still around.

notsylver 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might be confused with their new-ish US datacenter? Hetzner is still European-owned.

palata 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty sure this is wrong. On their website [1], the "about us" page mentions a GmbH and an Oy

- Hetzner Online GmbH, Germany

- Hetzner Finland Oy, Finland

[1]: https://www.hetzner.com/unternehmen/ueber-uns/

ahartmetz 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't find anything about that - I think it's not true.

Aldipower 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is simply incorrect.

Daegalus 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Uhh, can I get a source on this? I can not find a single mention of this anywhere and it seems the company is still independent and German.

rollulus 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[citation needed]