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jadenPete 10 hours ago

Then won’t foreign governments just ban freedom.gov? This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

jjmarr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

The US government is responsible for 35% of Tor's funding[1] and has been its primary sponsor since Tor was invented as a side project in the US Naval Research Lab.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tor_Project

krige 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Is, or was? I vaguely recall Doge gutting this among many other things?

nickorlow 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US can probably use their soft power to influence them not to do that. Also would imagine the US gov could also set up some more censorship resistant access methods.

crossroadsguy 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At this point US has close to zero (if not negative) "soft" power.

coliveira 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is what democrats and Hollywood are for. Some people still believe in them.

rtkwe 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trade and tarriff relief are an option still. Despite how shitty the US has been and the distrust that will cause in the future access to US markets will be very attractive until the economy collapses. Soft power isn't just from countries liking you after all.

crossroadsguy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Access to US market? Is that a joke you are trying to crack? An “access” that literally depends upon how loud the orange fool farted on the commode that morning — that access and that market? I mean do you really not see what’s happening or you are just being a nice contrarian? Because this baffles me.

micw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would be a good reason for the EU to start a 200% tariff for US software and cloud services then.

sssilver 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How would this work? Wouldn't a reciprocal tariff with identical parameters by the US against EU tech companies completely obliterate EU tech landscape?

microtonal 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Most EU tech companies probably have primarily European customers (given that services export from the US to the EU is much larger than the other way around). Second, all those EU customers are looking for EU alternatives that do not have a huge tariff.

Reciprocal tariffs would (for the EU) hurt export of goods much more, since that is where the EU has a large surplus.

sssilver 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The number of tech companies matters less than their scale. SAP, Spotify, and Dassault Systèmes likely have more economic impact than ten thousand tiny software shops combined. And notably, all three derive a huge portion of their revenue from the US market.

argsnd an hour ago | parent [-]

The US simply has more numerous and more important companies that rely on being able to freely export their services globally. The leverage here is with Europeans not only because of this asymmetry but because there is also more political appetite there to punish America than there is in America to punish Europe.

dirasieb 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

...and collapse their own economies in the process

happymellon 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Trade and tarriff relief are an option still.

That surely is running out of steam. Everyone's got whiplash from trying to watch America and it's tariffs. How do you know it won't be applied anyway, or forgiven for whatever flavour of the day policy it changes to.

There is very little point in conceding to it when you'll have another opportunity for something else that might be more amicable before the inks dry on that tariff.

riffraff 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Trade and tarriff relief are an option still

Are they though? Trump tried to use them to get ownership of Greenland a few weeks ago and just gave up. Then he tried to bully Canada again, and also gave up again. I think at this point nobody takes his offers of relief or threats seriously anymore, since any deal you make can be invalidated a couple weeks later.

throwerefg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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copperx 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which soft power are you talking about?

petcat 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think we're all aware that EU is trying to become more independent, but as of right now basically everything they do online, or really anything with technology at all, is American in some way. That's a lot of "soft power" and it will take decades, maybe a century, for EU or UK to replace it.

XorNot 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tarrifs cost US consumers not EU consumers.

If the US wants to ban AWS from operating in the EU that's just going to accelerate the shift away, for example.

computerthings 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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kulahan 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, it's decreasing under Trump, but to pretend the richest, most militarily powerful, most culturally influential nation on the planet somehow doesn't have any soft power is... certainly a choice.

pornel 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Republicans are spending all of US's remaining soft power on stealing Greenland.

If it ends with the Navy showing its non-soft power, Europe won't have any fucks left to give about some website.

kataklasm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

We already don't. We want the Americans to pack up their bases and fuck off. Ami, go home! They've done enough work to stir up chaos and war all over the planet in the last 7 decades.

polski-g 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Anyone who wants to trade in USD. Protection of maritime trade routes. Nuclear shield. Netflix, YouTube, Nvidia, OpenAI, Amazon.

microtonal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be honest, only the last few holdouts in Europe still believe in the US nuclear shield. The fact that Germany is trying to make a deal with France should tell you everything.

Netflix, YouTube and OpenAI are completely meaningless and we could drop it tomorrow. NVIDIA and AWS are a different story. The only problem is that once things become transactional (as opposed to mutually trusting allies), Europe can leverage ASML and possibly ARM. So it doesn’t bring much soft power anymore, only mutually assured economic destruction.

XorNot 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What sort of soft power do you imagine Netflix represents? It exists but it's not leverage.

shaky-carrousel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the same way they used their soft power to influence them not to block twitter and facebook? Because that power is slowly going from soft to limp...

ascorbic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No government can stand up to the might of La Liga

ohyoutravel 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, maybe USAID could have helped here. Or a robust State Dept.

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chatmasta 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wait until you find out who funded Tor development...

paulryanrogers 9 hours ago | parent [-]

The US Navy. Why would that be surprising?

scythe 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a propaganda maneuver. And it's obviously just as critical of China as it is of Europe. The State Department's public voices may be immersed in the culture war but there are probably a few cooler heads left who have learned to keep out of the spotlight.

badgersnake 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes. And then, if he doesn’t like the regime because they haven’t done him enough favours the orange one will rage about it on his social network.

zmgsabst 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure — but the UK or EU has to accept the constant rhetoric of “you clearly don’t support free speech, you block freedom.gov” when discussing with the US.

I don’t think it’s meant to be a perfect solution; I think it’s meant to be a political tool.

Also, the US does fund Tor — originally US Navy + DARPA, now through Dept of State. Entirely possible that they’ll eventually operate a Tor onion site for freedom.gov too.

calmworm 5 hours ago | parent [-]

This is grade-school level mind games. Is it really that easy?

thomasingalls 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not convinced that this whole discussion section isn't astroturf... some real out there opinions popping up in here

globular-toast 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When did you stop being a child? Can you point to the actual day it happened? Guess what... It didn't happen to anyone else either.

carlosjobim 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe that's the purpose? Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand.

Also it is cheap, easy, non-controversial domestically in the US, and ethically coherent with American values.

seszett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> ethically coherent with American values

Do you mean that VPN will blur the nipples when you watch pictures of classical paintings through it?

shaky-carrousel 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Do you mean that VPN will blur the nipples when you watch pictures of classical paintings through it?

No, it means they will send a SWAT team to your house if you use it to download a movie.

warkdarrior 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand.

I don't think European countries have been shy or sneaky about their restrictions on online content.

sp527 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> ethically coherent with American values

I'm a lifelong US citizen and burst out laughing at this. What values? What coherence?

Do you mean the NSA man-in-the-middleing all that traffic and leaving a backdoor for Mossad? Imagine the most despicable possible invasion of privacy and the most reprehensible shadow oppression and manipulation of an uneducated populace you can conjure up.

Now imagine something way worse than that. This is America.

carlosjobim 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Freedom of speech. I didn't expect to have to spell it out.

ta20240528 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Note that in 36 odd states in the USA companies and their officers (i.e real people) cannot boycott Israel (or even say nasty things) and then do business with the state.

By law.

So, not so much free speech.

giva 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reprisals_against_commentators...

krior 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...

microtonal 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You mean the freedom of speech that gets you shot when you protest the gestapo?

Where critical late night shows get cancelled because a small group of Trump-aligned people control most media?

Seriously, the world is looking in amazement how all the talk about free speech and democracy was purely performative.

The US becoming Hungary (or maybe Russia).

https://rsf.org/en/index

sp527 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yet another illusion. A lot of Americans are very good at finding ways to persecute people for having an opinion, often using economic consequences as a cudgel to enforce groupthink. And, at this very moment, the government is compiling lists of people it regards as enemies, purely on the basis of their "free" speech.