| ▲ | danielvaughn 8 hours ago |
| Lee Pace's performance in that show is one of my all time favorites. It's incredibly hard to play a charismatic marketing guru because in some sense, you're not acting. In a given scene, the character might be trying to convince people around him of some crazy idea, but if he hasn't convinced you, the viewer, then the entire illusion falls apart. So he really has to do in real life what he's pretending to do on screen. edit - a great example and one of my favorite scenes from the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOR8mk0tLpc |
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| ▲ | raffael_de an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I have Lee Pace on the radar since Singh's The Fall. Your assessment of movie magic is only partially correct. Obviously, a character has to be convincing by himself but the heavy lifting of the illusion is done by the peer characters acting as if they believe the role he plays. "The king is always played by the others" Not sure who is to credit for this quote but in my opinion it is one of the most important insights to understand how movies work and also why movie characters are never relevant role models. |
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| ▲ | telesilla 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | He's also extraordinary in Apple's Foundation, some say he carries the show. I treasure The Fall and every frame of it, in this he's uniquely blended with other great actors and images. | | |
| ▲ | raffael_de 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | apparently part of The Fall's magic stems from the fact that the girl playing Alexandria (Catinca Untaru) somehow didn't really understand that she was playing in a movie. the director received some criticism for this manipulation. she also didn't really continue acting afterwards. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1942458/ |
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| ▲ | mdemare 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Often in movies you have the scrappy character that rises to the occasion by making a great speech, winning everybody over. I used to love those scenes. Now, I've realized, in real life they wouldn't have let them finish their first sentence. | | |
| ▲ | raffael_de 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | stuff like this. if i enjoy a movie but the script simply doesn't check out from a rational perspective (plot holes, implausible behavior, inconsistencies etc.) then i sometimes decide to switch to a fairy tale mental mode where those issues are excused magically. only works with some movies. kingdom of heaven comes to mind. |
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| ▲ | Slow_Hand 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Funny that this came up today. Last night I started re-watching the series after several years. Just this afternoon I was reflecting on how genuinely charismatic Lee Pace's Joe McMillen is. You really feel it. Even when we know he's a manipulative sonuvabitch. It's mesmerizing. You have to admire his ability to spin shit into gold. The man has vision. There's a sequence around S01E07 that I'm looking forward to reaching again, in which Joe is out on the front lawn with Donna's daughters during a hurricane and it's FEELS like magic. His performance feels earnest, and hypnotizing, and genuinely magical as he puts on a show for these young girls in the rain. There's something intangible and hard to describe about the series. The writers have a way of making it transcend it's core drama and feel very different from just about any other show I can recall. Somehow it feels like pure creative expression that manages to defy outside expectations and tell a story that feels true to life and convey the ambitions of creative people who are fighting to make something beautiful. |
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| ▲ | metamet 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're making me really want to start a rewatch. It's shocking how few people have seen this show, let along watched it. Part of that probably has to do with how inaccessible it is on streaming. It's only readily available on AMC+. And no one has AMC+. This is one of those shows that would likely shoot to the top if Netflix got the rights to it and even did a mild push. It's genuinely peak prestige TV. | | |
| ▲ | knappe 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is where I originally watched it. It was on Netflix at one point. And now, it is not. Which is most of the problem with streaming service in general. | |
| ▲ | walterbell 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 40-episode box set is $30 ($16 today) on Apple TV. | | | |
| ▲ | echelon_musk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's shocking how few people have seen this show, let along watched it Huh? | | |
| ▲ | latexr an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think they mean “seen” in the sense of “know it exists”, as in seeing it advertised on a billboard or the sea of thumbnails in a streaming service. |
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| ▲ | fdefitte 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What gets me about this show is how it nails the emotional cost of building things. Most tech dramas focus on the product or the money. HaCF focuses on what it does to the people. The relationships that get wrecked, the compromises you make, the way obsession eats everything around it. If you've ever been deep in a startup you feel it in your chest watching this show. | | |
| ▲ | seba_dos1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have watched the first two seasons a few years ago and didn't continue because I was getting so emotionally invested it was making me anxious, not just in front of the screen but also for quite some time afterwards. I'm looking forward to finishing it once I decide my skin has grown thick enough :D |
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| ▲ | walterbell 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There's something intangible and hard to describe about the series. The writers have a way of making it transcend it's core drama and feel very different from just about any other show I can recall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series... [actors gathered] at Pace's house on weekends to prepare dinner, drink wine, and discuss the scripts and their characters.. "it was really nice, because you got to hear other people's point of views about your character." For the third season, Pace, Davis, and McNairy lived together in a rented house in Atlanta, with Toby Huss joining them for the fourth season..
Rogers called Lisco the duo's mentor, saying: "He.. showed us the ropes.. it was a master class in how to run a room, both in terms of getting a great story out of people, and.. being a really good and decent and fair person in what can sometimes be a brutal industry.." Between the second and third seasons, all of the series's writers departed to work on their own projects, requiring Cantwell and Rogers to build a new writing staff.
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| ▲ | OneDeuxTriSeiGo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lee Pace is such a phenomenal actor. He really just transforms the roles he's in and makes something special out of each show he's in. He's also fantastic in Apple TV's Foundation and it's been really impressive seeing his range put on display there. |
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| ▲ | loevborg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you like Lee Pace, check out The Fall (2006). It's my favorite film, incredibly ambitious and funny and yet virtually unknown to the public. Lee's performance is incredible, as is his young co-star's. |
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| ▲ | croon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, it's somewhat splintered in that you're unsure what movie you're watching between different parts, but I have a strong love for movies that dare, and that one certainly does. I'll also second your comment about the kid, which is one of the best child performances I've seen. | |
| ▲ | sgt 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I'll give that a shot. Found it it on torrent already. |
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| ▲ | jldugger 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sadly, Season 1 Joe is just incohesive. Like, you want there to be some structural reason behind his madness and there just isn't any, because there's too much of crazy. Season 2 tries to walk much of that back. I haven't yet seen season 3 and beyond, but it's clear the OP blogger agrees: > The best thing the show’s writers ever did was realize that Joe wasn’t the most interesting character. Like, Lee is a good actor for sure, he was just given a poorly story crafted role. |
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| ▲ | mikepurvis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "... what he's pretending to do on screen" I remember seeing this discussed around the show The Marvelous Mrs Maisel, which is about a midcentury NYC divorcee getting into the world of stand up comedy. Overall it works and is a funny and enjoyable show, but there's definitely some of the standup routines depicted on-screen that are not actually as funny as the baked-in audience laughs might indicate. Because yeah... you can't really fake delivering good standup, even with a whole writer's room preparing the jokes and all the editing magic in the world, you still have to actually stand there and tell them in a funny way. That part can't be faked. |
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| ▲ | Slow_Hand 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It never occurred to me that the jokes were oversold. I think the show is genuinely funny, with a very high batting average. Easily one of the funniest shows on television. I sure do miss 'Mrs. Maisel'. What a stellar series. | |
| ▲ | nonameiguess 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think I really loved Barry for exactly the opposite of this reason. Seeing a truly great actor play a bad actor was both impressive and hilarious at the same time. | |
| ▲ | IncreasePosts 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hacks does it fairly well, or it may just be jean smart |
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| ▲ | protocolture 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The guy gives me chills, he reminds me of every sales douche who has ever tried to pull the wool over my eyes, or sell a customer something so horrendous and undeliverable as to be actively business ending. An absolute legendary performance. |
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| ▲ | seneca 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The guy gives me chills, he reminds me of every sales douche who has ever tried to pull the wool over my eyes, or sell a customer something so horrendous and undeliverable as to be actively business ending. The thing is, Joe is supposed to actually have substance and vision. He's not faking it. The difference is that all those sales guys are pretending to be someone like Joe. | | |
| ▲ | protocolture 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I dont know about substance, but possibly vision. Its an old pattern, he kept selling more until the technical reality caught up with him. And he would abuse the technical staff to try and squeeze more out, but mostly because his reputation was riding on having sold it. |
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| ▲ | idontwantthis 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He also stars in The Fall, one of my favorite movies ever. |
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| ▲ | prhn 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| He also played Ronan in Guardians of the Galaxy and King Thranduil in Lord of the Rings! |
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| ▲ | swyx 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | how dare you mention Lee Pace and -not- mention his role in Foundation, he carried that entire show on his way too muscley back | | |
| ▲ | deaddodo 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s not cancelled, there’s a fourth season on the way. But yes, him and Jared Harris are pretty much the primary reasons to watch. And given the limited Harris screentime, definitely Pace carries it. | | |
| ▲ | nnevatie 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | People are using past tense, as David S. Goyer is leaving the show behind. | | |
| ▲ | unsnap_biceps 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The articles I can find say he's staying on as a EP, just stepping down as the main show runner. That seems very different than leaving the show behind. | | |
| ▲ | nnevatie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it could be there's no impact from any of it. I just remember seeing the headlines about the change. |
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| ▲ | swyx 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | oh no, this is how i found out my favorite show is dead wtf |
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| ▲ | hinkley 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Probably help him land Foundation. The narcissism is its own skill. |
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| ▲ | IBCNU 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| he reminds me of truly the best bosses also something about him with a good engineer reminds me of me and my boss, i hope lol |
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| ▲ | esafak 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Lee Pace is a first rate actor but I could not recognize him or indeed, most of the characters in this show, as representative of their roles. I struggled to suspend my disbelief. The show felt like it was written by people who imagined what it must have been like rather than people who had any experience of it. I still enjoyed it somewhat. Not Silicon Valley good but okay. |
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| ▲ | mikepurvis 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm always surprised Lee Pace doesn't get more recognition; I've loved a lot of his quirkier projects like Wonderfalls, Pushing Daisies, and Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day, but it's not like he hasn't also been in mainstream things like The Hobbit and Guardians of the Galaxy. | | | |
| ▲ | unmole 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I struggled to suspend my disbelief. The show felt like it was written by people who imagined what it must have been like rather than people who had any experience of it. This! It's not a bad show but people calling it the Best Drama are wildly overselling it. |
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| ▲ | gnatman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| maybe some sales look like this but anyone who models themselves after this or madmen or whatever… good luck. |
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| ▲ | Nevermark 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Anyone modeling themselves after someone, isn't going to have that electricity. You really have to believe in yourself and your plan, and have a real plan even if its in flux, to communicate like that and carry it off. But when audacity is backed up by substance, it really gets people's attention. |
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| ▲ | imglorp 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| More recently, I loved how he killed it in Foundation. Another great casting for a great actor. |
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