| ▲ | Herring 9 hours ago |
| My compsci brain suggests large orgs are a distributed system running on faulty hardware (humans) with high network latency (communication). The individual people (CPUs) are plenty fast, we just waste time in meetings, or waiting for approval, or a lot of tasks can't be parallelized, etc. Before upgrading, you need to know if you're I/O Bound vs CPU Bound. |
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| ▲ | al_borland 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| When my company first started pushing for devs to use AI, the most senior guy on my team was pretty vocal about coding not being the bottleneck that slowed down work. It was an I/O issue, and maybe a caching issue as well from too many projects going at the same time with no focus… which also makes the I/O issues worse. |
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| ▲ | noosphr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ironically using Ai on records of meetings across an org is amazing. If you can find out what everyone is talking about you can talk to them. Privacy is non existent, every word said and message sent at the office is recorded but the benefits we saw were amazing. | | |
| ▲ | beAbU 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yep. Previous org I was at had the fancy copilot integrated into teams. All meetings were auto transcribed and you could chat with copilot about the meeting directly in the chat. It was absolutely magical at extracting action points, decisions and other salient points. It was like having a secretary for each and every meeting. |
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| ▲ | koiueo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So how is it going for him? Was he able to prove his point? | | |
| ▲ | al_borland 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | He was laid off… unrelated to these opinions. He was correct though. For example, I’ve been waiting over a month for another team to set me up so I can test something they wanted me to develop. I’ve followed up multiple times. AI coding tools aren’t going to solve my blocker. |
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| ▲ | kjellsbells 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe experienced people are the L2 cache? And the challenge is to keep the cache fresh and not too deep. You want institutional memory available quickly (cache hit) to help with whatever your CPU people need at that instant. If you don´t have a cache, you can still solve the problem, but oof, is it gonna take you a long time. OTOH, if you get bad data in the cache, that is not good, as everyone is going be picking that out of the cache instead of really figuring out what to do. |
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| ▲ | canyp 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | L2? I'm hot L1 material, dude. But I like your and OP's analogy. Also, the productivity claims are coming from the guys in main memory or even disk, far removed from where the crunching is taking place. At those latency magnitudes, even riding a turtle would appear like a huge productivity gain. |
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| ▲ | notepad0x90 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In my opinion, you're very wrong. There is typically lots of good communication -- one way. The stuff that doesn't get communicated down to worker bees is intentional. "CPUs" aren't all that fast either, unless you make them by providing incentives. if you're a well paid worker who likes their job, i can see why you would think that, but most people aren't that. Meetings are work, as much as IPC and network calls are work. Just because they're not fun, or what you like to do, it doesn't mean they're any less of a work. I think you're analyzing things from a tactical perspective, without considering strategic considerations. For example, have you considered that it might not be desirable for CPUs to be just fast, or fast at all? is CISC faster than RISC? different architectural considerations based on different strategic goals right? If you're an order picker at an amazon warehouse, raw speed is important. being able to execute a simpler and more fixed set of instructions (RISC), and at greater speed is more desirable. if you're an IT worker, less so. IT is generally a cost-center, except for companies that sell IT services or software. if you're in a cost center, then you exist for non-profit-related strategic reasons, such as to help the rest of the company work efficiently, be resilient, compete, be secure. Some people exist in case they're needed some day, others are needed critically but not frequently, yet others are needed frequently but not critically. being able to execute complex and critical tasks reliably and in short order is more desirable for some workers. Being fast in a human context also means being easily bored, or it could mean lots of bullshit work needs to be invented to keep the person busy and happy. I'd suggest taking that compsci approach but considering not just the varying tasks and workloads, but also the diversity of goals and user cases of users (decision makers/managers in companies). There are deeper topics with regards or strategy and decision making surrounding the state machines of incentives and punishments, and decision maker organization (hierarchical, flat, hub-and-spoke,full-mesh,etc..). |
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| ▲ | zelphirkalt an hour ago | parent [-] | | Meetings can be work, but often they are a waste of time. Often they are only done, because the company has not found a better way to structure itself, which is also accepted by the management lawyer, who often has a profound fear of loss of control and likes to micromanage. If you can zone out for most of the meeting, and not experience negative effects from that, then the meeting was a waste of your time. |
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| ▲ | TimByte an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In some cases it might even make the mismatch worse. If one person can produce drafts, specs, or code much faster, you just create more work for reviewers, approvers, and downstream dependencies, which increases queueing |
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| ▲ | 8note 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| operationally, i think new startups have a big advantage on setting up to be agent-first, and they might not be as good as the old human first stuff, but theyll be much cheaper and nimble for model improvements |
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| ▲ | kamaal 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Start ups mostly move fast skipping the necessary ceremony which large corps have to do mandatorily to prevent a billion dollar product from melting. Its possible for start ups because they don't have a billion dollar to start with. Once you do have a billion dollar product protecting it requires spending time, money and people to keep running. Because building a new one is a lot more effort than protecting existing one from melting. | | |
| ▲ | etothepii 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This. Once you have revenue you have downside to protect. Pre-revenue the worst that can happen is that you have to start again knowing more than you did. |
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| ▲ | hackable_sand 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| None of this fits |
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| ▲ | amrocha 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Then where are all the amazing open source programs written by individuals by themselves? Where are all the small businesses supposedly assisted by AI? |
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| ▲ | Herring 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > 4% of GitHub public commits are being authored by Claude Code right now. At the current trajectory, we believe that Claude Code will be 20%+ of all daily commits by the end of 2026. https://newsletter.semianalysis.com/p/claude-code-is-the-inf... | | |
| ▲ | amrocha 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | There’s lots of slop out there, that doesn’t mean it’s actually good or useful code. | | |
| ▲ | simonw 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Keep moving those goal posts. | | |
| ▲ | jdlshore 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Doesn’t look like goal-post moving to me. GP argued that AI isn’t making a difference, because if it was, we’d see amazing AI-generated open source projects. (Edit: taking a second look, that’s not exactly what GP said, but that’s what I took away from it. Obviously individuals create open source projects all the time.) You rebutted by claiming 4% of open source contributions are AI generated. GP countered (somewhat indirectly) by arguing that contributions don’t indicate quality, and thus wasn’t sufficient to qualify as “amazing AI-generated open source projects.” Personally, I agree. The presence of AI contributions is not sufficient to demonstrate “amazing AI-generated open-source projects.” To demonstrate that, you’d need to point to specific projects that were largely generated by AI. The only big AI-generated projects I’ve heard of are Steve Yegge’s GasTown and Beads, and by all accounts those are complete slop, to the point that Beads has a community dedicated to teaching people how to uninstall it. (Just hearsay. I haven’t looked into them myself.) So at this point, I’d say the burden of proof is on you, as the original goalposts have not been met. Edit: Or, at least, I don’t think 4% is enough to demonstrate the level of productivity GP was asking for. | | |
| ▲ | beart 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It has been argued for a very long time, lines of code is largely meaningless as a metric. But now that AI is writing those lines... it seems to be meaningful again? I continue to be optimistically skeptical. | |
| ▲ | famouswaffles 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not a great ask. Who's going to quantify what is 'amazing open source work'? 4% for a single tool used in a particular way (many are out there using AI tools in a way that doesn't make it clear the code was AI authored) is an incredible amount. Don't see how you can look at that and see 'not enough'. The vast majority of people using these tools aren't announcing it to the world. Why would they ? They use it, it works and that's that. | | |
| ▲ | sensanaty 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | So we're suddenly going back into measuring lines of code as a useful metric? Just because people are shitting out endless slop code that they never bothered to throw a 2nd glance at doesn't mean it'sgood or that it's leading to better projects or tools, it literally just means people are pushing code out haphazardly . If I made a python script that everyone started using and all it did was create a repo, commit a README and push it every 5 seconds we'd be seeing billions of lines of code added! But none of it is useful in any way. Same with AI, sure we're generating endless piles of code, but how much of it is actually leading to better software? |
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| ▲ | thesmtsolver2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > where are all the amazing open source programs > amazing Nobody moved the goal posts. | |
| ▲ | techpression 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They didn’t, amazing open source was asked for, meaningless stats were given. Not that GitHub public repositories were amazing before AI, but nothing has changed since, except AI slop being a new category. | |
| ▲ | amrocha 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I deliberately asked for amazing open source projects. I’ve yet to see a single AI coded project i would use. Keep licking those boots. | | |
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| ▲ | com2kid 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Seemingly every day on Show HN? Also small businesses aren't going to publish blog posts saying "we saved $500 on graphic design this week!" | | |
| ▲ | hackable_sand 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But they could have saved that $500 by paying... a human | |
| ▲ | amrocha 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is saving 500$ by generating some shitty AI art the bar? I thought this supposed to replace entire departments | | |
| ▲ | afavour 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Someone asked “where are all the small businesses”, this was a reply to that. Small businesses don’t have entire art departments. | | |
| ▲ | amrocha 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Gotcha, so the impact of AI is small businesses get to save a couple hundred dollars and the cost is only 2% of your countries GDP. That’s good. | | |
| ▲ | com2kid 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Prior to industrialization if you wanted to paint something you had to know how to mix your own paints. And make your own brushes. Before the printing presses came along, putting up flyers was not even imaginable. Signs for businesses used to hand carved. Then printed. A store sign was still produced by a team of professionals, but small businesses coils reasonably afford to print a sign. Not often updated, but it existed. Then desktop publishing took off. Now lone graphic designers could design and send work off to a print shop. Small businesses could now afford regularly updated menus, signage, and even adverts and flyers. Now small businesses can make their own creatives. AI can change stylesheets, write ad copy, and generate promotional photos. Does any of this have the artistry of hand carved signs from 600 years ago? Of course not. But the point is technology gives individuals control. | | |
| ▲ | habinero 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | None of this is even slightly correct lol People have been painting with red and yellow ochre and soot for at least 50K years for sure, and probably several hundred thousand years in truth. You don't need a brush, you have fingers or a twig. The walls on the streets of Pompeii are full of advertising -- they had an election going on and people just scribbled slogans and such on walls. You don't need flyers lol. The idea that signs or advertising was "artistry" is deeply ahistorical. The reason old stuff looks real fancy is because labor was extremely cheap and materials were expensive. | | |
| ▲ | com2kid 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > People have been painting with red and yellow ochre and soot for at least 50K years for sure, Compare those to the pigments used (mixed up!) by professional painters, and then to what printers could make. If you wanted to paint fine art in the 1400s you were possibly making your own canvases, your own paint brushes, and your own paints. And on top of that you had to be a skilled painter! > The walls on the streets of Pompeii are full of advertising -- they had an election going on and people just scribbled slogans and such on walls. You don't need flyers lol. The American revolution included a lot of propaganda courtesy of printing presses and some very rich financers who had a vested interest in a revolution occuring. Pamphlets everywhere. It is one thing to scribble on a wall, it is another to produce messages at a mass scale. That sense of scale has been multiplied yet again by AI. |
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| ▲ | altmanaltman 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, that's just the impact that you're not going to hear in the news ("Small business saves a couple of hundred dollars" is not a good headline). But that's not the only "impact of AI". The bigger impacts are reflected in the news and the stock market almost on a daily basis over the last two years. | |
| ▲ | AstroBen 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Couple hundred dollars ..a month ..multiplied by how many small businesses globally? |
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| ▲ | MrDarcy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Interesting analogy to explore a Distributed System as compared to Organizational Dynamics. |
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| ▲ | Haven880 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think both. Most organizatuons lack someone like Steve Jobs to prime their product lines. Microsoft is a good example where you see their products over the years are mostly meh. Then meetings are pervasive and even more so in most companies due to msteam convenience. But currently they faced reduced demands due softer market as compare 2-3 years ago. If you observed that no effect while they layoff many and revenue still hold or at least no negative growth, I would surmise that AI is helping. But in corporate, it only counta if directly contributed sales numbers. |