| ▲ | Aurornis 5 hours ago |
| Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a lot of focus on Facebook in the comments here, but unless I’m missing something the strangest part about this story was that the child’s mother was dating a convicted sex offender and they had to go through all of this process to arrive at this? It’s impressive detective work with the brick expert identifying bricks and the sofa sellers gathering their customer list, but how did this connection not register earlier? EDIT: As others have pointed out, the wording is confusing. They made these connections to the identity only after identifying the house |
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| ▲ | znnajdla 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser. |
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| ▲ | phire 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sex offender registries are just registries. They only work if someone decides to actually do a query. It might prevent them from getting a childcare job, but it doesn't really prevent them from accessing children at all. The registers are also massively bloated, some people get put on them for nothing more than public urination. The only sex offenders who actually get regular checks that might identify this type of thing, are those on parole, or similar court ordered programs. |
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| ▲ | dhosek 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Other things that could get you on the registry include visiting a nude beach in California or being an 18-year-old high school student with a 17-year-old girlfriend and having your sexual activity discovered by a vindictive parent (that last one will get you the bonus bar of shame of criminal activity involving a minor). The registries are rather blunt tools and also end up doing things like making getting housing difficult (there was a news story I saw in the 90s about an encampment under a freeway in Florida as it was the only place people on the sex offender registry could legally live in a major city (I think Miami but this was 30 years ago). A more recent story in Chicago pointed out that a restriction on sleeping on the CTA would cause homeless people on the registry to end up being unable to meet the terms of their parole). I don’t really have much sympathy for child sex abusers, but if people are such dangers to society that they can only live under a freeway or will be reincarcerated on unavoidable technicalities, something is very wrong. | |
| ▲ | MisterTea 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Right but I'll be honest, I've never thought about looking up the people I've dated in the past. No one really talked about it when I was younger. I don't remember my mother telling me to do criminal background checks on people I'm seeing. Happened to me. Went out with somebody who turned out to be a serial shop lifter who operated with a small gang of other shop lifters. Everything looked fine up front until they disappeared when we had plans without contact for days. Thought I was ghosted. Turns out they were arrested. A friend went out with someone who destroyed his car after he broke up because she was violent twords him. He had to get a restraining order. A friend of his dug up a link to a FL police site. Turns out she did a little time down there for assaulting another woman, beating her with a coat rack during a fight. He never thought to look her up either and she seemed nice at first. Shit happens. Don't blame the victim for not being paranoid that everyone they're dating might be a criminal. Especially when there are damn good liars out there. | | |
| ▲ | zdragnar 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Back when my wife and I were renting, we only found out our landlord was on the list because his parole officer stopped by and asked if he'd informed us as he was legally required to do. We moved out rather quickly after that. If we were in a situation where we had to rent again, and went with an individual renting their own house rather than a company, checking out the registry is on the checklist of things to do. |
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| ▲ | Ancapistani 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I hav heard this many times, but never found a single example - and I’ve looked. Everyone I’ve researched on the registry richly deserved it. I challenge you and anyone else reading this to find an example of someone who is on the sex offender registry due to public urination. | | |
| ▲ | wildzzz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's a stupid meme. Public urination, like actually taking a piss in public while no one is around you, is likely going to be a ticket for disorderly conduct if a specific charge for it doesn't exist. You won't get an indecent exposure charge unless you're purposely exposing yourself to others, it requires intent. Sometimes flashers will use the excuse of urinating for their intentional exposure or will lie that their indecent exposure charge was due to public urination and not because they were really masturbating in plain view. There probably have been prosecutors that have tried to slap an indecent exposure charge on an innocent public urinater but like everyone else says, they can't find any proof of it actually sticking. | |
| ▲ | ipaddr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/201... | | |
| ▲ | somenameforme an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure that's what you meant to link to. The description there is beyond lurid, and that guy only ended up on a registry after a lot of shenanigans. | |
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| ▲ | jiqiren 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How many of these sex offenders bought this couch and live close to this brick factory in homes built in that time period? | | |
| ▲ | phire 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | About 0.3% of the adult population is on registries in the US. With 40,000 couch sales, there would be roughly 120 sex offenders would have bought that couch. You can see what I mean about the registries being bloated. Doesn't really narrow things down until you add the brick factory, but then they already had it down to 40 houses. But it's a mistake to even assume the couch was bought by the same house as the offender. The offender could just be visiting, or the couch could have been moved to a different house since purchase (sold second hand, or the owner moved). And you are assuming the offender had been caught before, or was even on the sex offender registry for abusing children. | |
| ▲ | roysting 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think what is confusing is likely that the investigators/detectives were probably trying to make sure that the girl was actually in the house where the sex offender was registered or technically living, and not maybe kept somewhere else. A lot of detective work is building the case, but also confirming what you believe is actually true and you need the evidence to also request the warrant on factual grounds. They could have busted in the door of that house and found that there was no such brick to be found anywhere and the girl was sold off to someone else or something like that. It’s really rather sick and deranged though that this kind of dynamic of women with children associating with sex offenders is not exactly rare. Frankly, I hope the mother was also charged. | | |
| ▲ | rectang 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Frankly, I hope the mother was also charged. Would you want her charged if she didn't even know? There is nothing in the article suggesting that the mother conspired with her boyfriend, or that she even knew he was a sex offender. I can imagine a scenario where the mother blames herself for not knowing and is utterly destroyed by misplaced guilt. Who knows what actually happened? The article wasn't about that. | | |
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| ▲ | ndiddy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The whole thing about people getting put on the sex offender registry for public urination is a myth and there's no verifiable cases of it happening. There are two cases that are relatively close. The first is James Birch, who pled guilty to indecent exposure for peeing on a Taco Bell because he was representing himself and didn't understand that meant he'd have to register as a sex offender. He realized his mistake and the court let him undo the plea and the charges were dropped. The second is Juan Matamoros, a meth dealer from Florida who claimed in the mid-2000s that the reason why he got put on the Massachusetts sex offender registry in the 80s was public urination. Due to the age of the case and Massachusetts privacy laws the court records aren't publicly available and his lawyer from the 80s responded to a request for interview about the case with "no judge I am aware of would allow someone to be put on the sex offender registry for peeing in public". If anyone tells you that's why they're on the sex offender registry, it's extremely likely they're lying about it and you should really look them up. | | |
| ▲ | holmesworcester 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It was standard practice by the police and DA in 2000s Massachusetts. Neighbors were annoyed at loud college parties at the school I went to, so local police waited in bushes to catch people peeing in them, arrested them, and one of the charges was indecent exposure. Happened to one person I knew personally so it must have happened to several others at just this school. My friend plead out to some lower charge or probably got a continuance, but it massively increased the leverage they had over him and the fees and fines they could collect, and it massively lowered the chance of him doing any pushback that could have lead to a jury trial, which at least as far as he understood at the time would have put him on the registry, and which is why they abused the law and charged people this way. | | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you entitled to a jury trial for peeing in the bushes in the USA? That isn’t the case here in Australia. You can go to trial, but it will be a judge-only trial, and is typically conducted by the magistrate who saw you for your first appearance on the matter, in the magistrates court, which is the lowest court here. I believe most of the colonies are approximately the same. | | |
| ▲ | eurleif 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are constitutionally entitled to a jury trial for any criminal charge in the US under the Sixth Amendment. | | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thanks. I’d imagine it would be cost prohibitive to take a peeing in the bushes charge to jury trial though? Sounds like the sort of thing one would only do if they were aiming to set a precedent for some reason? |
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| ▲ | kgwxd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There was also that Chicago Sunroof incident. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The salient point was that the person was in a relationship to the child’s mother. | | |
| ▲ | phire 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They didn't know who the child was, yet alone the mother. All they had were photos of an unnamed girl being abused. | | |
| ▲ | koolba 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn’t understand that part. The child has a mother, why wasn’t she reported missing? | | |
| ▲ | rationalist 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | A child does not need to be missing to be abused. Most abuse happens by people the child knows. |
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| ▲ | Loudergood 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Indeed, he may not have even been on the lease or title of the residence. |
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| ▲ | aussieguy1234 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > some people get put on them for nothing more than public urination When minor offences can get people put on the register, this dilutes the meaning of being on the register. Every actual sex offender will claim they're on there not because of the serious crimes they committed, but because they went nude on the wrong beach, or something similarly minor. | | |
| ▲ | furyofantares 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you ever looked at one of the registries? The ones I've seen have had details about the offense(s). | | |
| ▲ | aussieguy1234 an hour ago | parent [-] | | We don't have public ones here in Australia, so no I've never looked at one. Having details would make it harder to play down the offenses. But only if someone bothers to check. | | |
| ▲ | liamwire an hour ago | parent [-] | | Queensland allows residents to see the details of offenders in our local area, but you need to provide extensive ID to do so, and leaking that information is itself a crime. Daniel's Law was introduced in 2025 so this is pretty recent. |
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| ▲ | nneonneo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > an abused girl his team had named Lucy > It was impossible to work out who, or where, Lucy was. Lucy is a pseudonym. They were trying to get Facebook to tell them who the girl was through facial recognition. There’s no reason to expect a priori that the offender would be in any registry. |
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| ▲ | Macha 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the order went finding the house first and only then were they able to identify the victim (and consequently the offender) |
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| ▲ | Scipio_Afri 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly, it sounds like they didn't know who the girl was from photos alone; "Lucy" was just a name they gave the victim. | |
| ▲ | Aurornis 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That would make sense. Thank you. |
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| ▲ | eastbound 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > the strangest part about this story was that the child’s mother was dating a convicted sex offender 70.6% of beaten children are beaten at the mother’s custody. Most often it turns out the choice of companion of the mother is inappropriate. While many see that as blaming the mother and it is a huge taboo in our society, it is such a huge humanitarian problem that it’s worth educating women better over that specific problem, and taking sanctions if necessary. 70.8% in the case of death. Source: CDC 2001-2006 if I remember. Incoming: Many ad-hominem about the source, it’s a problem that never gets addressed. |
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| ▲ | rectang 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > While many see that as blaming the mother Yes, that's how I see it. > it is such a huge humanitarian problem that it’s worth educating women better over that specific problem, and taking sanctions if necessary. "Sanctions"? This is an article about successful digital sleuthing, but your takeaway is that we need to punish the mother? | | |
| ▲ | TurdF3rguson 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not to mention we're talking about rape not beatings. Beatings wouldn't put DHS on the case. |
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| ▲ | vasco 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's been several cases of mothers being put in jail for child negligence in such situations in my country. |
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| ▲ | nprateem an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They couldn't ID the child initially. |
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| ▲ | rectang 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's also a lot of "WHY AREN'T YOU FOCUSING ON THE MOTHER?" whataboutism in the comments, which I find appalling. The article was about something else, and who knows what her circumstances were. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward. | | |
| ▲ | directevolve 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I just want to point out that there’s a huge difference between thoroughly investigating the family after abuse of this magnitude has been proven, and making parents legally culpable for any harm that comes to their children in general. We can react to the fact that mothers can do more to protect their children from abuse in many ways. We can give them better access to information and support in getting away from abusers. We can create better links between police and communities they serve. We can create more pathways for children to be exposed to healthy adult behavior and connections with healthy adults, even when the family is dysfunctional. But when we find evidence that existing supports have failed, deeply investigating why is critical. | |
| ▲ | tomnipotent 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Something like 60-70% of violent crime involves victims and offenders that know each other, and with murder and sexual assault it's 70-80%. |
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| ▲ | noufalibrahim 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | True. Damaged parents are often the kinds of people who are taken advantage of by sex offenders. I think it requires a social fix of some kind. | | |
| ▲ | vasco an hour ago | parent [-] | | However damaged someone is they have a duty of care to their children. There's someone else with a blame in the story but to excuse this is very wrong. | | |
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| ▲ | PinkSheep 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are right, the article is about: > She said at the point Homeland Security ended her abuse she had been "praying actively for it to end". You can provide your plausible suggestions as to what the family relationship looked like that the girl could neither ask her own mother for help nor was her father there for her. | | |
| ▲ | rectang 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | My heart breaks for parents who learn that their children found themselves unable to confide in them about rape. |
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| ▲ | journal 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| absolute ~cinema~ surveillance |