| ▲ | inferniac 8 hours ago |
| Their software quality really went downhill in recent years, really hope whoever comes in after Cook treats it as priority |
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| ▲ | lysace 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm getting a strong feeling that the first generation of really, really talented people who built iOS in the 2000s have now to a substantial degree moved on/retired. Similar feeling with OS X/macOS. Please correct me if I'm wrong - it is after all just a feeling. |
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| ▲ | ASalazarMX 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | IMO Apple grew too much it became another slow megacorp, more connected to their quarterly reports and shareholders than their consumers and engineers. The growing Apple was the one that gave us innovation. I'm not saying it's dead, not by far, but it has become stale. The biggest innovation it has made in 10+ years was using their mobile processors in laptops. | | |
| ▲ | graemep 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is the usual path. You can say the same of Google or Microsoft or pretty much any big tech company. Its true of many businesses outside tech too. |
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| ▲ | sunaookami 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have this feeling for every software out there. | | |
| ▲ | thewebguyd 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not overly far fetched. A lot of the software and platforms we use now we’re all developed around the same time period. There’s obviously new talent coming in to the industry but the attitudes are different, and talented people like to make new things not work on someone else’s legacy code. So yeah I think it’ll continue to get worse until something new replaces iOS/Android/macOs/Windows hegemony. | | |
| ▲ | lysace 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | So Apple has a new software crisis on their hands. Echoes of the 90s. Well Microsoft too, but their customers are long used to working/living in a dumpster fire. |
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| ▲ | smokel 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People who like building new things, like building new things. | | |
| ▲ | dzdt 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | And people who like getting raises dont like leaving things alone... |
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| ▲ | materielle 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the problem is actually political capital. Someone who deeply understands how to qualify the product. But with enough political sway to tell entire orgs of 1000s employees to shred their timelines and planning docs and go back to the lab until it’s right. Without those two pieces, the problem is that individual devs and leaders know that there’s a problem. But the KPIs and timelines must lurch onwards! | | |
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| ▲ | realo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe they started to use some internal "Siri Code" tool ... They should stick to Claude Code, like everyone else. |
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| ▲ | babypuncher 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think vibecoding is the solution to software quality problems, regardless of what tools/models you are using. |
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| ▲ | MichaelZuo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would say Catalina in 2019 already had enormous issues, there were hard faults in Console pretty much daily that Apple never bothered to fix. (Plus hundreds of minor faults per day) I had to downgrade to Mojave so the wheels likely came off internally around then. |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Recent? They have been last to get Widgets. They don't have apps I use (terminals, emulators, pulse wave generators). Not to mention Gemini AI is actually really nice for scanning a screen and doing actions with it. Apple is always 2nd place or worse. Except marketing, they are #1. |
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| ▲ | karlshea 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Quality" and "features you happen to want" are two different things. | |
| ▲ | metabagel 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Their hardware is world class. Software? Not so much. | | |
| ▲ | soperj 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They sold the Macbook air with Broadwell processors for over 3 years. They only changed the processors because intel discontinued them. They skipped 3 generations of processors. | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would also be fair to say they didn't skip any generation of processors with that gap in updates, they merely sat out the first two years of Intel shipping Skylake five years in a row. And in the meantime, they did use those first two years of Skylake for the 12" MacBook; the next update to the MacBook Air was after the last update the 12" MacBook ever got. For a while, the 12" MacBook was the more premium, thinner and lighter alternative to the MacBook Air with more advanced technology (and could plausibly have been construed as the intended successor to the MacBook Air), then in 2018 they merged back together with the introduction of the first MacBook Air with a Retina Display. | | |
| ▲ | soperj 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. They sold old hardware for the same price 3 years later as if it was a premium product. They didn't really have an excuse, they've been the most valuable public company on earth since like 2010. | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Selling an old model for a few years after its replacement shows up is not unusual. The only thing unusual here is that the 12" MacBook didn't end up actually replacing the MacBook Air in the long run, and the next major iteration went back to being called "MacBook Air". The three-year gap in processor updates you're complaining about disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years. That course correction was quite a bit quicker than for the Touch Bar MBPs and the trash can Mac Pro. | | |
| ▲ | soperj 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years. and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
As far as I can glean this was never something that they intended to do. | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's entirely you choosing to ignore real and relevant products that Apple shipped during the time period you claim they were doing nothing. If you're looking for some kind of absolute consistency in when and how Apple uses the "Air" modifier on their product names, you haven't been paying attention. |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you mean? For a phone? Are people doing anything on a phone that you can't do on an Android? Be realistic, not idealistic or giving test situations that no one actually uses. On desktop? Uh... There is a reason Nvidia is #1. Wake me up when I can get Nvidia on Apple. |
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