> Self deportation is the goal.

Perhaps.

GP didn't say whether or not there were any legal clouds over the persons he's describing. The answer to that makes a big difference to his point.

The goal is to rile the base and distract from the fact that there is no improvement in cost of living, healthcare, education, etc... tourism is down, farmers are losing their farms en masse, etc... It was trans people yesterday, Somalians today, and it will be someone else tomorrow. If that wasn't bad enough, it's clear the president and other powerful men (of both parties) were engaged in an international child sex trafficking ring. It's all a distraction and there are enough hateful Americans for it to work for now.

There have been several raids in my city, but it is definitely nothing like what is going on in Minneapolis.

It’s really not. Define taken away. They’ve absolutely detained some citizens, then let them go.

And again, not defending what they are doing, they are awful,but you are probably more likely to be hit by lightning than you are to have any of your family planning go wrong because of them if you are a full citizen. (If you are undocumented here right now, yeah, totally.)

Hysterical people think they are being rational and stuff like this is exactly what they say.

or just shoot you while you are in your car.

So because ice detained a Venezuelan national or tore down a banner an American citizen should be fearful of having kids? You realize you’re proving my point I hope?

My city has had ICE raids since early on. I just am not hysterical.

who cares about their genetic line? literally every human being who has wanted grand children

> even white citizens have been shot for being "near" I.C.E. operations

Explain exactly what you are referring to

I'm sorry, is this serious? Yes, Kavanaugh stops do exist and are problematic. But the question is -- are they doing them? Almost all of their operations in Minnesota (just assuming Minnesota here, apologies if I have mischaracterized) have been targeted operations, where they are pursuing a specific individual.

The two situations where someone was fatally shot were both targeted; they were not just grabbing brown people off the street and throwing them in the paddy wagon.

And if you're going to pretend that they just happened to be "near" ICE operations, and not actively trying to interfere and obstruct their operations (while attempting to stay technically inside the bounds of the law) then I don't think we can have a good faith conversation here.

The vast majority of people in Minnesota are simply unaffected by these operations. Many people have convinced themselves that they are at risk but this is not reflective of reality.

Yes, the idea of Kavanaugh Stops is problematic. The problem is that they are not happening.

Even ProPublica's reporting [1], while in the headline claiming these stops are problematic, reveals that there are a whopping 9 cases that they've found where racial profiling appears to be a factor.

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

Simply not true. Even ProPublica's reporting [1], despite the grand headlines, does not support this. They found a total of 9 cases where racial profiling appeared to be a factor. The remaining cases were either people who actively tried to obstruct or interfere with ICE operations or cases where there was probable cause.

They menace and threaten "people just out and about in the neighborhood"? It is hard to engage in good faith when you are baldly making statements that are completely unsupported. There have been two tragic deaths in which ICE (or BP) agents seem to be at fault, but the victims were not just "out and about" and making that claim is incredibly disingenuous.

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-...

They beat people because Trump and his regime want them to.