I certainly don’t agree with the things the administration is doing, but this seems like just hysteria. You are putting off your family growth plans because they might deport a theoretical future undocumented nanny? It is strange to me how generalized partisan fear has become.

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a_better_world 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I guess you don't live in Minneapolis, or another targeted metro area. It is hard to imagine what it is like to live in a city where 3000 masked and poorly trained people cos-playing special forces are specifically tasked with arresting as many people as they can and told that they have full immunity.

you haven't seen the effect on schools when federal agents enter school grounds and take kids away.

you haven't seen my parent's nursing home sending the senior leadership outside the building to look for patrols before they let the staff leave (the staff is all legal/greencard holders, but see note above -- ICE doesn't care).

It's not hysteria when it is your every day lived experience.

	▲	mattmaroon 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There have been several raids in my city, but it is definitely nothing like what is going on in Minneapolis.

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matthewkayin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't be ridiculous, talking about "partisan fear". They have taken away documented, American citizens without due process.

When armed men can take you out of your home or your car and whisk you away without a judicial warrant and without due process, it is very reasonable to be afraid.

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mattmaroon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s really not. Define taken away. They’ve absolutely detained some citizens, then let them go.

And again, not defending what they are doing, they are awful,but you are probably more likely to be hit by lightning than you are to have any of your family planning go wrong because of them if you are a full citizen. (If you are undocumented here right now, yeah, totally.)

Hysterical people think they are being rational and stuff like this is exactly what they say.

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prh8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Their own data reports that they are holding tens of thousands of citizens who have committed no crimes.

They have murdered people in broad daylight and allowing many more to suffer and even die in their facilities.

People are not being hysterical, and the people who are downplaying or ignoring this are showing that they are in fact evil.

	▲	kadabra9 8 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Tens of thousands of "citizens" or "residents"? There's an important distinction here.
	▲	Izikiel43 9 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> Their own data reports that they are holding tens of thousands of citizens who have committed no crimes. A source would be nice

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bigyabai an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> you are probably more likely to be hit by lightning

I get that you're trying to rationalize this scenario, but this line is completely false. If there was a nation-wide wave of aviation terrorism, it would not be appropriate to say that you're "more likely to be hit by lightning" than risk your life in a plane. The situation has changed, and they're not being hysterical for observing the trends and adjusting accordingly.

Lightning has a relatively static chance of hitting you. The likelihood of feds accidentally executing you in your hometown is on the rise, and we don't know when it will stop climbing.

	▲	kadabra9 a few seconds ago \| parent [-]
		I'm actually quite confident the likelihood of ICE executing me is zero. I don't make a habit of interfering in immigration enforcement operations and trying to run agents over.

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a_better_world 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

or just shoot you while you are in your car.

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throwawayohio 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What?

This happened a few blocks from my home: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/08/17/dc-arrest...

As did this: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-goons-tear-down-pro-immigr...

These neighborhoods are high income, predominantly white, and filled with families.

My oldest has come home terrified because he turned a corner while playing outside and physically bumped in a guardsman carry a rifle.

I get it that some of you don't live in places that are immediately impacted by this administration, but some of us have to confront this on a daily basis.

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mattmaroon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So because ice detained a Venezuelan national or tore down a banner an American citizen should be fearful of having kids? You realize you’re proving my point I hope?

My city has had ICE raids since early on. I just am not hysterical.

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throwawayohio 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm sorry but your summary of what I posted is so selective that I have to assume you're replying in bad faith.

	▲	brettgriffin an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I just read both articles and I think his summary is accurate enough to stand behind his claim that putting off having children (if you want them) because of a theoretical situation qualified as 'hysterical' (assuming everyone in your household is authorized). I don't think he was replying in bad faith, even if you two disagree.