| ▲ | pyb 9 hours ago |
| How could Signal be considered privacy-conscious ? The first thing they do is ask for your phone number. |
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| ▲ | neobrain 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Signal has profiles nowadays that can be used to connect with people without sharing phone numbers. The latter are only used for signup and discarded immediately after. |
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| ▲ | pmontra 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't know how Signal works and I never used it, but could I signup with a phone number and keep using it with another number, on the same phone? | | |
| ▲ | alias_neo 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes. The phone number is just for activation, once activated, you can swap the SIM and carry on. Or have the SIM that receives the activation text in another phone, or be virtual, or whatever. |
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| ▲ | reactordev 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I doubt they are discarded when push notifications exist | | |
| ▲ | Krizzu 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | push notifications are not related to phone number, but rather to a randomly generated token in app. |
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| ▲ | pseudalopex 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Another comment contradicted this.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46959019 |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| WhatsApp sends a copy of all your messages to ICE. Signal doesn't. |
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| ▲ | dizhn 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Source? | | |
| ▲ | ses1984 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-... Millennials and older generations witnessed this happening bit by bit, some of us tried to fight it, but ultimately it’s everywhere now, and apparently it’s been so ubiquitous for so long that people aren’t even aware of it anymore. | | |
| ▲ | dizhn 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am the person who asked for the source. 1) I do not believe for a second that Meta would actually implement something that would remove their own ability to read those messages. 2) We do not have any proof that their claimed e2e chat service is actually compromised. The matter of fact tone of the parent made me think there was some actual proof or at least something more than speculation. That's why I asked for a source. | | |
| ▲ | ses1984 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am not sure I understand what you’re saying. If meta can read those messages, then they’re most definitely not e2e encrypted. Given the historical record, you would be a fool to assume that any service run by a public company isn’t fully tapped by US intelligence agencies. They’ve been tapping anything and everything they can get their hands on, why stop at whatsapp? Let me flip it around: what proof do you actually have that it is e2e encrypted? Zuckerberg pinky promised? | | |
| ▲ | saintfire 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You didn't actually flip it around at all. They're stating they doubt Meta would ever allow full e2ee, which is not evidence but simply speculation. AND They asked for a source/evidence to prove their hunch is more than speculative. | | |
| ▲ | ses1984 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What standard of proof is required here? It’s not criminal court. The original post I replied to simply asked for proof, without also stating they doubt meta would ever allow e2ee. My post is more directed at other readers who might take the absence of a smoking gun as an assumption of safety. |
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| ▲ | Krasnol 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not a single link has anything on OPs claim. |
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| ▲ | attila-lendvai 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | whatsapp is facebook; do you need any other "source"? i'd be surprised if they didn't have straight out government logins... | | |
| ▲ | dizhn 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Of course I need another source. I think you're right too but this is just speculation. I thought you had access to some actual information. | | |
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| ▲ | zikduruqe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No they don't. They ask _for_ a phone number. It doesn't have to be yours. |
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| ▲ | DivingForGold 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Give Signal a burner phone. |
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| ▲ | alt187 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Because they have an huge PR campaign and a lot of money to invest in keeping their place. |
