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xnx 2 hours ago

Isn't a vehicle that goes from anywhere to anywhere on your own schedule, safely, privately, cleanly, and without billions in subsidies better?

anigbrowl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think individual vehicles can ever achieve the same envirnmental economies of scale as trains. Certainly they're far more convenient (especially for short-haul journeys) but I also think they're somewhat alienating, in that they're engineering humans out of the loop completely which contributes to social atomization.

xnx 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I don't think individual vehicles can ever achieve the same envirnmental economies of scale as trains.

I think you'd be surprised. Look at the difference in cost per passenger mile.

appreciatorBus 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trains only require subsidies in a world where human & robot cars are subsidized.

As soon as a mode of transport actually has to compete in a market for scarce & valuable land to operate on, trains and other forms of transit (publicly or privately owned) win every time.

kentiko an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cars don't work in dense places.

g947o 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not necessarily, and your premise is incorrect.

kidk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Billions of subsidies? Im confused you talking about cars or trains.

xnx 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No major US public transportation system is fully paid for by riders.

cleaning 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Neither is any private transportation system?

JimmyBuckets 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That includes cars on public roads.

semiquaver an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep. https://www.transitwiki.org/TransitWiki/index.php/Farebox_Re... is a sobering reminder that many cities’ public transportation would cost $20-50 per trip if paid entirely by riders and thus could not exist without subsidy.

caycep an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

NYC congestion pricing seems to be working quite well though, and probably helps offset MTA costs.

xnx 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

NYC "congestion" pricing (actually cordon pricing) is a good idea. Would be great to see more road use fees proportional to use (distance, weight^3, etc.).

Hikikomori 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>without billions in subsidies

Is there a magic road wand?