| ▲ | crimsonsupe 7 hours ago | |||||||
> Because no one believes these laws or bills or acts or whatever will be enforced. That’s because they can’t be. People assume they’ve already figured out how AI behaves and that they can just mandate specific "proper" ways to use it. The reality is that AI companies and users are going to keep refining these tools until they're indistinguishable from human work whenever they want them to be. Even if the models still make mistakes, the idea that you can just ban AI from certain settings is a fantasy because there’s no technical way to actually guarantee enforcement. You’re essentially passing laws that only apply to people who volunteer to follow them, because once someone decides to hide their AI use, you won't be able to prove it anyway. | ||||||||
| ▲ | chrisjj 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
> the idea that you can just ban AI from certain settings is a fantasy because there’s no technical way to actually guarantee enforcement. By that token bans on illegal drugs are fantasy. Whereas in fact, enforcement doesn't need to be guaranteed to be effective. There may be little technical means to distinguish at the moment. But could that have something to do with lack of motivation? Let's see how many "AI" $$$ suddenly become available to this once this law provides the incentive. | ||||||||
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| ▲ | rconti an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
Sure they can be enforced. Your comment seems to be based on the idea of detecting AI writing from the output. But you can enforce this law based on the way content is created. The same way you can enforce food safety laws from conditions of the kitchen, not the taste of the food. Child labor laws can be enforced. And so on. Unless you're trying to tell me that writers won't report on their business that's trying to replace them with AI. | ||||||||
| ▲ | 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
> You’re essentially passing laws that only apply to people who volunteer to follow them . . Like every law passed forever (not quite but you get the picture!) [1] | ||||||||
| ▲ | songodongo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
And you can easily prompt your way out of the typical LLM style. “Written in the style of Cormac McCarthy’s The Road” | ||||||||
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| ▲ | wwfn 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
> passing laws that only apply to people who volunteer to follow them That's a concerning lens to view regulations. Obviously true, but for all laws. Regulations don't apply to only to what would be immediately observable offenses. There are lots of bad actors and instances where the law is ignored because getting caught isn't likely. Those are conspiracies! They get harder to maintain with more people involved and the reason for whistle-blower protections. VW's Dieselgate[1] comes to mind albeit via measurable discrepancy. Maybe Enron or WorldCom (via Cynthia Cooper) [2] is a better example. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCI_Inc.#Accounting_scandals | ||||||||
| ▲ | delaminator 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
C2PA-enabled cameras (Sony Alpha range, Leica, and the Google Pixel 10) sign the digital images they record. So legislators, should they so choose, could demand source material be recorded on C2PA enabled cameras and produce the original recordings on demand. | ||||||||
| ▲ | conartist6 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
Indistinguishable, no. Not these tools. Without emotion, without love and hate and fear and struggle, only a pale imitation of the human voice is or will be possible. | ||||||||
| ▲ | Forgeties79 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
The idea that you can just ban drinking and driving is a fantasy because there’s no technical way to actually guarantee enforcement. I know that sounds ridiculous but it kind of illustrates the problem with your logic. We don’t just write laws that are guaranteed to have 100% compliance and/or 100% successful enforcement. If that were the case, we’d have way fewer laws and little need for courts/a broader judicial system. The goal is getting most AI companies to comply and making sure that most of those that don’t follow the law face sufficient punishment to discourage them (and others). Additionally, you use that opportunity to undo what damage you can, be it restitution or otherwise for those negatively impacted. | ||||||||