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| ▲ | jmward01 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Do they respect my data? Why do they get to track me across sites when I clearly don't want them to but someone can't scrape their data when they don't want them to. Why should big companies get the pass but individuals not? They clearly consider internet traffic fair game and are invasive and abusive about it so it is not only fair to be invasive and abusive back, it is self defense at this point. |
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| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They don’t need to track your web browser when they’re owned by Microsoft, because they track every action at a lower level. | | |
| ▲ | 0x1ch an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Weird, I don't use Windows as an OS but have linkedin. I'd believe the concern and disregard of Linkedin's concern is fair game. | |
| ▲ | missingdays 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What lower level? Microsoft owns internet? | | |
| ▲ | zelphirkalt 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The operating system. For example see the Windows 11 screenshot debacle/scandal. |
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| ▲ | john-h-k an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because you signed up to a set of terms and conditions saying LinkedIn can use your data in this way | | |
| ▲ | echelon an hour ago | parent [-] | | I didn't want the web to turn into monolithic platforms. I abhor this status quo. You cannot function without these enterprises, but that doesn't mean they're ideal or even ethical. Microsoft wins because of network effects. It's impossible to compete. So I think it should be allowed to assail their monopoly here by any means. It's maximally fair for consumers and for free markets. Ideally capitalism remains cutthroat and impossible to grow into undislodgeable titans. Even more ideally, this would become a distributed protocol rather than a privately owned and guarded database. |
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| ▲ | ronsor 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think they framed it this way because they don't consider scraping abuse (to be fair, neither do I, as long as it doesn't overload the site). Botting accounts for spam is clear abuse, however, so that's fair game. |
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| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I consider all data collection and scraping egregious. From that perspective, LinkedIn is hypocritical when Microsoft discloses every filesystem search I do locally to bing. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you not scraping a site with your eyeballs when you view a site? |
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| ▲ | RockRobotRock an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When they scrape, it’s innovation. When you scrape, it’s a felony. |
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| ▲ | nitwit005 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm sure there are issues with fake accounts for scraping, but the core issue is that LinkedIn considers the data valuable. LinkedIn wants to be able to sell the data, or access to it at least, and the scrapers undermine that. They could stop all the scraping by providing a downloadable data bundle like Wikipedia. |
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| ▲ | compiler-guy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | LLMs scrape Wikipedia all the time, or at least attempt to. The data bundle doesn't help that at all. |
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| ▲ | sellmesoap 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We enjoy the fruits of an LLM or two from time to time, derived from hoards of ill gotten data. Linkedin has the resourses to attempt to block scraping, but even at the resource scale of LI I doubt the effort is effective. |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am not denying that scraping is useful. If it wasn't people wouldn't do it. But if the site rules say you aren't allowed to scrape, then I don't think people should be hostile towards the people enforcing the rules. | | |
| ▲ | ronsor 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, they can try to enforce the rules; that's perfectly fair. At the same time, there are many methods of "trying" which I would not consider valid or acceptable ones. "Enforcing the rules" does not give a carte blanche right to snoop and do "whatever's necessary." Sony tried that with their CD rootkits and got multiple lawsuits. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| the abuse>using the information they publish to the public |
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| ▲ | b112 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, until it becomes abusive and malignly affects innocents. |
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| ▲ | schmidtleonard 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The big social media businesses deserve a Teddy Roosevelt character swooping in and busting their trusts, forcing them to play ball with others even if it destroys their moats. Boo hoo! Good riddance. World's tiniest violin. This is a popular position across the aisle. Here's hoping the next guy can't be bought, or at least asks for more than a $400M tacky gold ballroom! |