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| ▲ | int0x29 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Get a warrant. The federal government should not be "soliciting vendors" for my location. I love how the accounts defending ICE are always brand new. |
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| ▲ | hikkerl 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Reasonable comments engaging in discussions on HN are frequently downvoted and flagged by the hivemind, causing the account to be shadow banned (ie. any comment is immediately 'dead', invisible to others). I make a new account at least every week to get around this. This is my only account. Don't like it? Encourage your comrades to engage in good faith and tolerate perspectives that they personally disagree with. | | |
| ▲ | donkeybeer 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | What? Where's the bad faith? You made a really dumb argument and got a simple factual response. And you still failed to engage with that response instead making up imaginary persecution. |
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| ▲ | learingsci 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | j-pb 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think: "Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!" Which was covered extensively during my history classes. Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for. | | |
| ▲ | franga2000 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | account42 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Perhaps "what you thought then and now" is the difference between those times more than "what happened then and now". With the former being largely influenced by "what your bubble told you then and now". | | |
| ▲ | j-pb 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” | | |
| ▲ | learingsci 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | We don’t have good data because it’s illegal to, for example, ask citizenship status on our census, but if you believe the numbers many democrats cite, Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. You can use Google to verify that though I’ll warn you the rabbit hole runs deep when it comes to official statistics. Importantly, under Trump we have far more violent felons to deport. The media thrives on salacious and emotionally charged stories rather unbiased reporting based on nuanced facts. It’s the entertainment industry. The recent tragedies are indeed thoroughly depressing for all of us, but we shouldn’t let our emotional reactions destroy our ability to reason and think objectively about history and statistics. We can feel and think. Some of us believe enforcement of laws is the villain in this. Some feel the laws themselves or the idea of borders and sovereignty are to blame. Others that a surge of violent criminals such as those who killed Jocylan Nungary or Laken Riley is the cause of the recent tragedies. None of these views are inherently evil. All of these views have some merit. Truth is manifold. Don’t be narrow minded, we need broad thinking not simplistic pathos driven dogmas and references to nazis. Grow up. |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you are German, then you are probably blind to the similarities between current German politics and the Nazis, so this is not a good point of comparison. | | |
| ▲ | Steltek 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeeeaaaah, I dunno if you wanna go there while the US is investing $100B in state sponsored ethnic cleansing, terrorism, and concentration camps. Glass houses, stones, etc. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Germany invests less than that, but Germany is a smaller country. I'm not sure how much it is per capita. |
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| ▲ | j-pb 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Which politics are you referring to? The AfD ("Alternative for Germany") who has been classified as a confirmed right-wing extremist organization by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution?
And which has heavy ties to trump, musk, and the current U.S. government? Just because we currently have our own right wing populist faschists rearing their heads again, doesn't mean that the parallels of the current events in the US and the rise of the Nazis aren't real and glaring to someone who has had this as part of their basic education curriculum. https://web.archive.org/web/20250503162240/https://www.verfa... | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-] | | All parties of the government support and pay for ethnic cleansing in the middle east. |
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| ▲ | account42 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | But it's only Nazis if you disagree with them. After all, the whole point of drawing the comparison is to shut down any possibility for discussion and nuance - "people I don't like are just like the nazis so I don't need to treat those who who doesn't fully oppose them with any respect". | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The ones who are exterminating a race are the nazis | | | |
| ▲ | j-pb 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Again, I have little stakes in your shitshow besides the international meddling they do with our own faschist party. This dualist thinking seems to be a particular US thing, based on your two party system. I see the erosion of the rule of law and decency in the US, the persecution of minorities, the populism, the defamation of journalism as "lügenpresse" and alignment of media to the party line, the personal police force (what the fuck is ICE doing in Italy), the person cult around a single madman, the violence without consequence, the fancy SS/SA style cosplay uniform by the head of ICE, and I think "that looks a lot like the stuff we learned about in school". | |
| ▲ | mindslight 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > After all, the whole point of drawing the comparison [to Nazis] is to shut down any possibility for discussion and nuance Another way of phrasing this is that it's a call to stop assuming good faith discussion on the part of the boosters, stop being derailed by pondering nuance, and focus on putting the brakes on the new Nazi movement. History doesn't repeat but we're teetering on the edge of a large-scale horrific rhyme. Regardless of one's preferred policies regarding immigration, there is zero justification for where we're at. |
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| ▲ | habinero 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can really tell which states actually fund their education programs by who understands this and who does not. | | |
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| ▲ | sham1 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not the poster you replied to, but absolutely. Now personally I don't believe that this data should exist in the first place, but using it for law enforcement purposes is just very shilling and even worse than its "normal" use. I would think that someone with a fresh burner account would agree. |
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| ▲ | hsbauauvhabzb 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That implies a crime was committed. I think you’ll find people on HN fairly unsupportive of population wide surveillance. Getting a warrant from a judge is far better than ICE doing what they’re currently doing. |
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| ▲ | tokyobreakfast 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Unless of course that population wide surveillance pays $150k+/yr, with unlimited free snacks and gym membership, then all bets are off. | |
| ▲ | ryan_lane 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I think you’ll find people on HN fairly unsupportive of population wide surveillance Lately I'm not sure that's the case. | | |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You seem to be a bit scared of doing this all under your own name, comrade. But don't worry, we know exactly who you are. |
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| ▲ | hikkerl 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Not only that, but your profile clearly says you aren't even American. Maybe you should focus on your own politics, or things you understand, and not try to threaten people. I'm not threatening anybody, I'm just pointing out that in the aggregate anonymity does not exist as told by TFA whereas the GP seems to believe it holds some weight. The only reason you are able to write your comment is simply because I'm not hiding. You on the other hand are. > I personally, am glad we have this, so I don't experience what I do when I go to Europe, and get a bunch of illegal Africans terrorizing people in front of police. Or let alone the no go zones. Funny, that hasn't happened to me yet. What also hasn't happened to me yet is that I got shot in the face at a protest. But: you are part of the problem, you believe you are part of the solution. The fact that you believe that you are part of the solution but you're not proud enough of it to do so under your own name tells the whole story. It's the equivalent of the mask of those ICE goons. https://jacquesmattheij.com/if-you-have-nothing-to-hide/ https://jacquesmattheij.com/trackers/ > I'm glad, to have spend most of my career in the government to stop these people coming in and terrorists. Which is why I can report, the US has a very low terror rate, especially when you look at foreign extremists, unlike other parts of the world. That has something to do with two oceans and nothing at all with your efforts. | | |
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| ▲ | jacquesm 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I proudly stop terrorists, I proudly help law enforcement, and I proudly serve my country to make it the best in the world. And you're proudly delusional. But that's fine, stick your head in the sand and continue, you are so invested in this that the thought that you might be on the wrong side seems to scare you into flinging abuse and digging in deeper. The USA is not 'the best in the world', not by a long shot. Witness the turd sitting in the half demolished White House that you serve. > Anyways, I will be submitting a tip personally Haha, so you are now threatening to take revenge on someone you've never met because they're calling you out for exactly that sort of thing. I don't think I could have asked for harder proof. WTF dude, have you entirely lost it? | | | |
| ▲ | defrost 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Also, unless you're violating your visa and breaking American laws. You wouldn't have gotten shot in the face at a protest in America. The women shot in the face by an ICE agent was not "violating her visa", nor was she violating American laws by being halted for a short time across a single lane with traffic passing her by. She was given conflicting instructions by two agents, and was within her rights to leave as she did, slowly, carefully, when she was shot through the front and then through a side window by the same agent. > I proudly stop terrorists, I proudly help law enforcement These particular agents were a clown show textbook example of how not to behave .. you should be not be proud to associate with them. As for American law - it's falling apart from the top: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/the-trump-doj-has... The people shooting US citizens in the face and in the back are repeatedly in violation of judges orders. | | |
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| ▲ | throwawayqqq11 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Since i cant reply to your flagged comment above, ill do it here. > And I gotta ask, you think it's just two oceans, and what your experience is in the intelligence community field? Are you just assuming without knowing the inner workings? This depicts the distribution of refugees caused by iraq and afghan wars. Which, to remind you, were proudly based on lies. > https://www.unhcr.org/news/press-releases/iraqis-afghans-and... > As a region, Europe received 75 percent of all asylum applications although the United States remained the single largest recipient country with an estimated 13 percent of all applications Are you still proud making the world a better place? Maybe you are too busy fighting terrorists to reply. | | |
| ▲ | maldev 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are you implying that refugees are terrorists? Also, according to any refugee agreement, you go to the first country of safe harbor. Not across the world. Why can’t they go back now, make Iraq great? Also, they arnt killing Americans anymore are they? We gave them everything we could. But the afghan army chose to just do drugs and do nothing and now their women can’t go to school and don’t have rights again. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayqqq11 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, im not implying that all refugees are terrorists. Just pointing out the obvious outcome of terror: people flee to savety. There are still terror orgs seeking to destabilize the region, like israel or ISIS. Besides the destruction, thats at least one reason why you wouldnt want to go back. But why can they stay? Maybe a familiy -- a life -- is a reason to stay too. Why is "why dont they go back" your initial reaction? Why do i have to remind you about that human element of migration? Are you implying all refugees are terrorists? Or are you a racist? Id really would like to see your mind rn. How it tries to spin the convo to "but they are illegal aliens". Such a pitty that even you cant see it. | | |
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| ▲ | defrost 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > So, the government did an investigation Not the state government, and the federal government is in the midst of not a investigation under the pretence of having one. > But if you try to run over the police. She did not. It's very clear that she did not. Also .. ICE agents .. not "the police" - these were immigration agents overstepping their bounds. See stories about breaking multiple judges orders. | | |
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