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int0x29 15 hours ago

Get a warrant. The federal government should not be "soliciting vendors" for my location.

I love how the accounts defending ICE are always brand new.

hikkerl 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Reasonable comments engaging in discussions on HN are frequently downvoted and flagged by the hivemind, causing the account to be shadow banned (ie. any comment is immediately 'dead', invisible to others).

I make a new account at least every week to get around this. This is my only account. Don't like it? Encourage your comrades to engage in good faith and tolerate perspectives that they personally disagree with.

donkeybeer 10 hours ago | parent [-]

What? Where's the bad faith? You made a really dumb argument and got a simple factual response. And you still failed to engage with that response instead making up imaginary persecution.

learingsci 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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j-pb 13 hours ago | parent [-]

German here, with little stakes in your shitshow. At no point during the obama years did I think:

"Wow this looks just like the rise of the nazis!"

Which was covered extensively during my history classes.

Why did you even have all the school schootings if you don't use that stupid second ammendmend thing you have? This is the tyranical government you've all been waiting for.

franga2000 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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account42 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps "what you thought then and now" is the difference between those times more than "what happened then and now". With the former being largely influenced by "what your bubble told you then and now".

j-pb 8 hours ago | parent [-]

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

learingsci 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We don’t have good data because it’s illegal to, for example, ask citizenship status on our census, but if you believe the numbers many democrats cite, Obama deported more immigrants than Trump. You can use Google to verify that though I’ll warn you the rabbit hole runs deep when it comes to official statistics. Importantly, under Trump we have far more violent felons to deport. The media thrives on salacious and emotionally charged stories rather unbiased reporting based on nuanced facts. It’s the entertainment industry.

The recent tragedies are indeed thoroughly depressing for all of us, but we shouldn’t let our emotional reactions destroy our ability to reason and think objectively about history and statistics. We can feel and think. Some of us believe enforcement of laws is the villain in this. Some feel the laws themselves or the idea of borders and sovereignty are to blame. Others that a surge of violent criminals such as those who killed Jocylan Nungary or Laken Riley is the cause of the recent tragedies. None of these views are inherently evil. All of these views have some merit. Truth is manifold. Don’t be narrow minded, we need broad thinking not simplistic pathos driven dogmas and references to nazis. Grow up.

direwolf20 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you are German, then you are probably blind to the similarities between current German politics and the Nazis, so this is not a good point of comparison.

Steltek 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeeeaaaah, I dunno if you wanna go there while the US is investing $100B in state sponsored ethnic cleansing, terrorism, and concentration camps. Glass houses, stones, etc.

direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-]

Germany invests less than that, but Germany is a smaller country. I'm not sure how much it is per capita.

j-pb 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which politics are you referring to? The AfD ("Alternative for Germany") who has been classified as a confirmed right-wing extremist organization by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution? And which has heavy ties to trump, musk, and the current U.S. government?

Just because we currently have our own right wing populist faschists rearing their heads again, doesn't mean that the parallels of the current events in the US and the rise of the Nazis aren't real and glaring to someone who has had this as part of their basic education curriculum.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250503162240/https://www.verfa...

direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-]

All parties of the government support and pay for ethnic cleansing in the middle east.

account42 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But it's only Nazis if you disagree with them. After all, the whole point of drawing the comparison is to shut down any possibility for discussion and nuance - "people I don't like are just like the nazis so I don't need to treat those who who doesn't fully oppose them with any respect".

direwolf20 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ones who are exterminating a race are the nazis

j-pb 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Which race?

direwolf20 an hour ago | parent [-]

Palestinian

j-pb 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Again, I have little stakes in your shitshow besides the international meddling they do with our own faschist party.

This dualist thinking seems to be a particular US thing, based on your two party system.

I see the erosion of the rule of law and decency in the US, the persecution of minorities, the populism, the defamation of journalism as "lügenpresse" and alignment of media to the party line, the personal police force (what the fuck is ICE doing in Italy), the person cult around a single madman, the violence without consequence, the fancy SS/SA style cosplay uniform by the head of ICE, and I think "that looks a lot like the stuff we learned about in school".

mindslight 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> After all, the whole point of drawing the comparison [to Nazis] is to shut down any possibility for discussion and nuance

Another way of phrasing this is that it's a call to stop assuming good faith discussion on the part of the boosters, stop being derailed by pondering nuance, and focus on putting the brakes on the new Nazi movement. History doesn't repeat but we're teetering on the edge of a large-scale horrific rhyme. Regardless of one's preferred policies regarding immigration, there is zero justification for where we're at.

habinero 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can really tell which states actually fund their education programs by who understands this and who does not.

jacquesm 12 hours ago | parent [-]

It's a disease and it is spreading, fast.