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nova22033 3 hours ago

Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password.

https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20

The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

b8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They can hold you in contempt for 18 months for not giving your password, https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/man-who-refused-....

ElevenLathe 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Being held in contempt at least means you got a day in court first. A judge telling me to give up my password is different than a dozen armed, masked secret police telling me to.

noident 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a very unusual and narrow exception involving "foregone conclusion doctrine", an important fact missed by Ars Technica but elaborated on by AP: https://apnews.com/general-news-49da3a1e71f74e1c98012611aedc...

wackget 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Link which doesn't directly support website owned by unscrupulous trillionaire: https://xcancel.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20

throwawayfour 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Good reminder to also set up something that does this automatically for you:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46526010

forgotTheLast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I actually think it is fitting to read about a government agency weaponized by an unscrupulous billionaire going after journalists working for an unscrupulous billionaire on an unscrupulous trillionaire owned platform.

asadm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

he probably hates me for my religion but I think he has been net positive for US and world?

Dylan16807 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Even if his total contribution is positive, his current contribution is quite bad. And most of that bad has been tied directly to x.

asadm an hour ago | parent [-]

I can atleast still voice against Israeli genocide there. I am good for now.

frereubu an hour ago | parent | next [-]

How many people do you think see those tweets, how many minds do you think you have changed, and at what mental cost to yourself?

asadm 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I see other's tweets. I don't think most are being shadowbanned. I am doing fine myself and pretty productive actually.

crumpled 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What's the point of these questions? Seems like, "what's the point of dissent if the cards are stacked against you?"

ebbi 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

He was begging to go party with someone that spent time in prison for child exploitation.

That in itself should make you hate the dude.

asadm 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yup. Hate him as person. But he is still net positive with his scientific/engineering contributions, is he not?

Wasn't Edison an asshole?

ebbi 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Dunno, I'd rather have unabused kids than the technological breakthroughs he has contributed to. Anyone being giddy to meet with a convicted pedo is very sus in my books, and deserves no respect, regardless of their prior contributions.

Children were exploited, and we're doing this net positive analysis on whether he should face the scorn. I'm not having a go at you - it's just frustrating to see very little happening after so much has been exposed, and I think part of it comes from this mindset - 'oh he's a good guy, this is a mistake/misstep' while people that were exploited as children can't even get their justice.

It's sickening.

JumpCrisscross a minute ago | parent [-]

> I'd rather have unabused kids than the technological breakthroughs he has contributed to

I'd rather have both. Hawthorne doesn't get nuked if Elon Musk goes to jail.

pyrophane 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe. I don't think we yet have a good understanding of how many deaths he will have caused as a result of DOGE so abruptly cutting off assistance to so many vulnerable people around the world, but I've heard estimates hover around 600,000.

Assuming that number turns out to be close to reality, how do you weigh so many unnecessary deaths against VTL rockets and the electric cars?

Perhaps a practitioner of Effective Altruism could better answer that question.

NoMoreNicksLeft 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

>of how many deaths he will have caused as a result of DOGE so abruptly cutting off assistance to so many vulnerable people around the world

The US taxpayer has no moral obligation to send welfare "around the world". If you personally find this frustrating, you're welcome to donate that money yourself, directly. No one will stop you. If the world wishes to partake in the benefits of the American government, it should apply for statehood.

asadm 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have FIRST-HAND seen corruption around USAID-style "assistance" back home. I fully support that work of his.

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andwhatisthis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How so?

asadm an hour ago | parent [-]

nasa is fucked up. spacex is US’s only shot.

alistairSH 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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goda90 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Remember that our rights aren't laws of nature. They have to be fought for to be respected by the government.

patrickmay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is the knowledge of which finger to use protected as much as a passcode? Law enforcement might have the authority to physically hold the owner's finger to the device, but it seems that the owner has the right to refuse to disclose which finger is the right one. If law enforcement doesn't guess correctly in a few tries, the device could lock itself and require the passcode.

Another reason to use my dog's nose instead of a fingerprint.

thecapybara an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There's only ten possible guesses, and most people use their thumb and/or index finger, leaving four much likelier guesses.

Also, IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that if law enforcement has a warrant to seize property from you, they're not obligated to do so immediately the instant they see you - they could have someone follow you and watch to see how you unlock your phone before seizing it.

parl_match 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I really wish Apple would offer a pin option on macos. For this reason, precisely. Either that, or an option to automatically disable touchid after a short amount of time (eg an hour or if my phone doesn't connect to the laptop)

fpoling 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can setup a separated account with a long password on MacOS and remove your user account from accounts that can unlock FileVault. Then you can change your account to use a short password. You can also change various settings regarding how long Mac has to sleep before requiring to unlock FileVault.

AnonHP an hour ago | parent [-]

I didn’t understand how a user that cannot unlock FileVault helps. Can you please elaborate on this setup? Thanks.

xoa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As another alternative, rather than using Touch ID you can setup a Yubikey or similar hardware key for login to macOS. Then your login does indeed become a PIN with 3 tries before lockout. That plus a complex password is pretty convenient but not biometric. It's what I've done for a long time on my desktop devices.

Wistar an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

On my Macbook Pro, I usually need to use both touch and a password but that might be only when some hours have passed between log ins.

z3phyr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

0.1 in itself is a very good odd, and 0.1 * n tries is even more laughable. Also most people have two fingers touchID, which makes this number close to half in reality.

neves 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just searched the case. I'm appalled. It looks like USA doesn't have legal protection for reporter sources. Or better, Biden created some, but it was revoked by the current administration.

The real news here isn't privacy control in a consumer OS ir the right to privacy, but USA, the leader of the free world, becoming an autocracy.

teejmya 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I previously commented a solution to another problem, but it assists here too:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44746992

This command will make your MacBook hibernate when lid is closed or the laptop sleeps, so RAM is written to disk and the system powers down. The downside is that it does increase the amount of time it takes to resume.

A nice side benefit though, is that fingerprint is not accepted on first unlock, I believe secrets are still encrypted at this stage similar to cold boot. A fingerprint still unlocks from screensaver normally, as long as the system does not sleep (and therefore hibernate)

p0w3n3d 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Allowed to require - very mildly constructed sentence, which could include torture or force abuse...

https://xkcd.com/538/

mbil 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminder that you can press the iPhone power button five times to require passcode for the next unlock.

kstrauser 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or squeeze the power and volume buttons for a couple of seconds. It’s good to practice both these gestures so that they become reflex, rather than trying to remember them when they’re needed.

regenschutz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sad, neither of those works on Android. Pressing the power button activates the emergency call screen with a countdown to call emergency services, and power + volume either just takes a screenshot or enables vibrations/haptics depending on which volume button you press.

thallium205 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

On Pixel phones, Power + Volume Up retrieves a menu where you can select "Lockdown".

rationalist 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not on my Pixel phone, that just sets it to vibrate instead of ring. Holding down the power button retrieves a menu where you can select "Lockdown".

zerocrates 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

On my 9 you get a setting to choose if holding Power gets you the power menu or activates the assistant (I think it defaulted to assistant? I have it set to the power menu because I don't really ever use the assistant.)

pkulak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh wow, just going into the "should I shutdown" menu also goes into pre-boot lock state? I didn't know that.

duskwuff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't reenter a BFU state, but it requires a passcode for the next unlock.

snuxoll 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's close enough, because (most of) the encryption keys are wiped from memory every time the device is locked, and this action makes the secure enclave require PIN authentication to release them again.

thecapybara an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you know that on most models of iPhone, saying "Hey Siri, who's iPhone is this?" will disable biometric authentication until the passcode is entered?

rawgabbit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Serious question. If I am re-entering the US after traveling abroad, can customs legally ask me to turn the phone back on and/or seize my phone? I am a US citizen.

Out of habit, I keep my phone off during the flight and turn it on after clearing customs.

verall 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

my understanding is that they can hold you for a couple days without charges for your insubordination but as a citizen they have to let you back into the country or officially arrest you, try to get an actual warrant, etc.

Analemma_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you are a US citizen, you legally cannot be denied re-entry into the country for any reason, including not unlocking your phone. They can make it really annoying and detain you for a while, though.

gogasca an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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paulsmith 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Alternately, hold the power button and either volume button together for a few seconds.

tosapple 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is the third person advocating button squeezing, as a reminder: IF a gun is on you the jig is up, you can be shot for resisting or reaching for a potential weapon. Wireless detonators do exist, don't f around please.

fogzen 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In case anyone is wondering: In newer versions of MacOS, the user must log out to require a password. Locking screen no longer requires password if Touch ID is enabled.

alistairSH 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is that actually true? I'm fairly confident my work Mac requires a password if it's idle more than a few days (typically over the weekend).

raw_anon_1111 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Settings -> lock screen -> “Require password after screen saver begins or display is turned off”

jen729w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Shift+Option+Command+Q is your fastest route there, but unsaved work will block.

raw_anon_1111 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

As if the government is not above breaking the law and using rubber hose decryption. The current administration’s justice department has been caught lying left and right