| ▲ | joe_mamba 6 hours ago |
| I'm in the same boat. We have literally pedos and child abusers in the epstein files talking openly about doing despicable things to women, kids and even babies, while authorities are focused on criminalizing generating images of fake minors that don't exist and that any other LLM platform can do if asked. Plus, how do you even judge the age of AI generated fake people to say it's CP? Reminds me when UK activists were claiming Grok's anime girl avatar was a minor and deserved to be considered CP, when she had massive tits that no kid has. So how much of this is just a political witch-hunt looking for any reason to justify itself? |
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| ▲ | n4r9 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour? Also, it seems pretty likely that Musk is tangled up with the Epstein shit. First Musk claimed he turned down offer to go to the island. Now it turns out Musk repeatedly sought to visit, including wanting to know when the "wildest" party was happening, after Epstein was already known as a child sex abuser. Musk claimed that Epstein had never been given a tour of SpaceX but it turns out he did in 2013. It's the classic narcissistic "lie for as long as possible" behaviour. Will be interesting to see what happens as more is revealed. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour? No i said no such thing, what I said was that the resources of authorities is a finite pie. If most of it goes towards petty stuff like corporate misbehavior that hurts nobody, there won't be enough for the grave crimes like actual child abuser that actually hurt real people. Same how police won't bother with your stolen phone/bike because they have bigger crimes to catch. I'm asking for the same logic be applied here. | | |
| ▲ | n4r9 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's no indication that this investigation would draw resources away from investigating the Epstein files. It's happening in France, for starters, whilst the vast majority of Epstein's crimes appear to have happened in US territories. Speaking about "the authorities" as if they're a unified global entity sounds a little conspiratorial. | |
| ▲ | watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > If most of it goes towards petty stuff like corporate misbehavior that hurts nobody, there won't be enough for the grave crimes like actual child abuser that actually hurt real people. 1.) That is not how it works, even if we ignore the fact that France is not USA. 2.) Lack of resources was not the issue with Epstein prosecution. The prosecutor was literally told to not investigate by her superiors who were trying to stop the case. She was told she is unsubordinated for doing it. Acosta giving Epstein sweetheart deal or seeking to stop the prosecutor is not the resources issue. It is billionaires (Thiel, Musk, Gates), politicians (Clinton, Luthnic ) media darlings (Summers, Kraus and the rest of sexism is totally not a thing anymore crowd literally partying with Epstein) are to be protected at all cost issue. Even now, people implicated in Epstein files are still getting influential positions with explicit "it would be cancel culture to not give these people more influence" argument. |
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| ▲ | amelius 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the reasoning is that the AI contributes to more epsteins. In some way. |
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| ▲ | terminalshort 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That isn't reasoning, it's wild speculation | | |
| ▲ | amelius 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I seem to remember there was research behind this, but I'm not sure. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How? THat's like the 1993 moral panic that video games like Doom cause mass shootings, or the 1980's mass panic that metal music causes satanist, or the 1950s moral panic that superhero comic book violence leads to juvenile delinquency.
Politicians are constantly looking for an external made up enemy to divert attention to from the real problems. People like Epstein and mass woman/child exploitation have existed for thousands of years in the past, and will exist thousands of years in the future. It's part of the nature of the rich and powerful to execute on their deranged fetishes, it's been documented in writing since at least the Roman and Ottoman empires. Hell, I can guarantee you there's other Epsteins operating in the wild right now, that we haven't heard of (yet), it's not like he was in any way unique. I can also guarantee you that 1 in 5-10 normal looking people you meet daily on the street have similar deranged desires as the guests on Epstein's island but can't execute on them because they're not as rich and influential to get away with it, but they'd do it if they could. | | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > THat's like the 1993 moral panic that video games like Doom cause mass shootings, Apart from doom wasn't producing illegal content. the point is that grok is generating illegal content for those jurisdictions. In france you can't generate CSAM, in the UK you can't distribute CSAM. Those are actual laws with legal tests, none of them need to be of actual people, they just need to depict _children_ to be illegal. Moral panics require new laws to enforce, generally. This is just enforcing already existing laws. More over, had it been any other site, it would have been totally shut down by now and the servers impounded. Its only because musk is close to trump and rich that he's escaped the fate than you or I would have had if we'd done the same. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Apart from doom wasn't producing illegal content. Sure but where's the proof that Grok is actually producing illegal content? I searched for news sources, but they're just all parroting empty accusations not concrete documented cases. | | |
| ▲ | pasc1878 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg1mzlryxeo Note that IWF is not a random charity it works with the Police on these matters. I found this as the first item in Kagi search - perhaps you should try non AI searches | |
| ▲ | KaiserPro 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > but they're just all parroting empty accusations not concrete documented cases. In the UK it is illegal to create, distribute and store CSAM. A news site printing a photo CSAM would make them legally up the shitter. However, the IWF, who are tasked with detecting this stuff have claimed to have found evidence of it, along with multiple other sources, Ofcom who are nominally supposed to police this have an open investigation, so do the irish police. The point is, law has a higher threshold of proof than news, which takes time. If there is enough evidence, then a court case (or other instrument) will be invoked. |
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| ▲ | amelius 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Another line of reasoning is that with more fake CP it is more difficult to research the real CP hunt down the perpetrators and consequently save children. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh yeah, because the main reason why EPstein and his guests got away with it for so long, is because there was so much low hanging CP out there confusing authorities and prosecutors, not because of the corruption, cronyism and political protection they enjoyed at the highest levels of government. Do you guys even hear yourselves? | | |
| ▲ | amelius 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | But how about the "1 in 5-10 normal looking people you meet daily on the street have similar deranged desires as the guests on Epstein's island but can't execute on them because they're not as rich and influential to get away with it, but they'd do it if they could." Some of those might still try. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Some of those might still try. And what does AI have to do with this? Haven't child predators existed before AI? Where's the proof that AI produces more child predators? You're just going in circles without any arguments. | | |
| ▲ | amelius 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It has to do with AI because: > Another line of reasoning is that with more fake CP it is more difficult to research the real CP hunt down the perpetrators and consequently save children. (own quote) Yes, the predators existed before AI, but also: > I think the reasoning is that the AI contributes to more offenders (edited). (own quote, edited) To be clear, I don't think this line of reasoning is entirely convincing, but apparently some people do. |
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| ▲ | watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, 20% of population is not seeking to abuse children nor teens. If you think so, you are moving in weird circles. In fact, what we also have are people who noped out of Epstein circle or even openly criticized it for years. Also, framing the issue of sexual abuse by untouchable issue as the same as superhero comic issue (which itself was not just about superhero comic and you should know it) is spectacularly bad faith. Yes, there were always people who were stealing, abusing, murdering for own gain and fun. That is not an argument for why we should accept and support it as normalized state of world. It is a good reason to prevent people from becoming too powerful and for building accountable institutions able to catch and punish them. |
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| ▲ | ilogik 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The UK is also opening investigations into the Esptein stuff. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/starmers-government-aids-po... Unlike the US administration which seems to be fine with what epstein and X are doing |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is the UK investigating them how they investigated Prince Andrew and the infamous grooming gangs? | | |
| ▲ | owebmaster 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I have never seen someone put so much effort to defend child pornography. | |
| ▲ | SiempreViernes 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's this comment about? Do you think no other CSAM distribution should be investigated until the stuff in Epstein files is sorted? |
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| ▲ | GordonS 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Except Starmer is making sure that the "investigation" is hobbled - anything seemed important to "national security" will be excluded! The UK's "investigation" is a farce. |
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| ▲ | owebmaster 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The same guy responsible for creating child porn that you are defending is also in the Epstein's list. Also, don't abbreviate child pornography, it shows you have a side on this |
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| ▲ | cess11 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "Grok" is part of the Epstein network, connected through Elon Musk. |