With the basic and enormous difference that the feedback loop is 100 or even 1000x faster. Which changes the type of game completely, although other issues will probably arise as we try this new path.

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Terr_ 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That embeds an assumption that the outsourced human workers are incapable of thought, and experience/create zero feedback loops of their own.

Frustrated rants about deliverables aside, I don't think that's the case.

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darkwater 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No. It just means the harsh reality: what's really soul crushing in outsourced work is having endless meetings to pass down / get back information, having to wait days/weeks/months to get some "deliverable" back on which iterate etc. Yes, outsourced human workers are totally capable of creative thinking that makes sense, but their incentive will always be throughput over quality, since their bosses usually give closed prices (at least in what I lived personally).

If you are outsourcing to an LLM in this case YOU are still in charge of the creative thought. You can just judge the output and tune the prompts or go deep in more technical details and tradeoffs. You are "just" not writing the actual code anymore, because another layer of abstraction has been added.

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Jagerbizzle an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Also, with an LLM you can tell it to throw away everything and start over whenever you want.

When you do this with an outsourced team, it can happen at most once per sprint, and with significant pushback, because there's a desire for them to get paid for their deliverable even if it's not what you wanted or suffers some other fundamental flaw.

	▲	raw_anon_1111 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Yep, just these past two weeks. I tried to reuse an implementation I had used for another project, it took me a day to modify it (with Codex), I tried it out and it worked fine with a few hundred documents. Then I tried to push through 50000 documents, it crashed and burned like I suspected. It took one day to go from my second more complicated but more scalable spec where I didn’t depend on an AWS managed service to working scalable code. It would have taken me at least a week to do it myself

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dimitrios1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't have to be soul crushing.

Just like people more, and have better meetings.

Life is what you make it.

Enjoy yourself while you can.

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ambicapter 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Not really, its just obviously true that the communication cycle with your terminal/LLM is faster than with a human over Slack/email.