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CamperBob2 9 hours ago

Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene.

sonofhans 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ironic. The frequency and predictability of this type of response — “This criticism of new technology is invalid because someone was wrong once in the past about unrelated technology” — means there might as well be an LLM posting these replies to every applicable article. It’s boring and no one learns anything.

It would be a lot more interesting to point out the differences and similarities yourself. But then if you wanted an interesting discussion you wouldn’t be posting trite flamebait in the first place, would you?

hackable_sand 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Note that we still have not solved cameras or even cars.

The biggest lesson I am learning recently is that technologists will bend over backwards to gaslight the public to excuse their own myopia.

dwrolvink 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting comparison. I remember watching a video on that. Landscape paintings, portraits, etc, was an art that has taken an enormous nosedive. We, as humans, have missed out on a lot of art because of the invention of the camera. On the other hand, the benefits of the camera need no elaboration. Currently AI had a lot of foot guns though, which I don't believe the camera had. I hope AI gets to that point too.

pixl97 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

>We, as humans, have missed out on a lot of art because of the invention of the camera.

I so severely doubt this to the point I'd say this statement is false.

As we go toward the past art was expensive and rare. Better quality landscape/portraits were exceptionally rare and really only commissioned by those with money, which again was a smaller portion of the population in the time before cameras. It's likely there are more high quality paintings now per capita than there were ever in the past, and the issue is not production, but exposure to the high quality ones. Maybe this is what you mean by 'miss out'?

In addition the general increase in wealth coupled with the cost of art supplies dropping this opens up a massive room for lower quality art to fill the gap. In the past canvas was typically more expensive so sucky pictures would get painted over.

jack_pp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The footgun cameras had was exposure time.

1826 - The Heliograph - 8+ hours

1839 - The Daguerreotype - 15–30 Mins

1841 - The Calotype - 1–2 Mins

1851 - Wet Plate Collodion - 2–20 Secs

1871 - The Dry Plate - < 1 Second.

So it took 45 years to perfect the process so you could take an instant image. Yet we complain after 4 years of LLMs that they're not good enough.

AdieuToLogic 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Eloquent, moving, and more-or-less exactly what people said when cameras first hit the scene.

This is a non sequitur. Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference. Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the same concerns quoted:

  The process, which is an iterative one, is what leads you 
  towards understanding what you actually want to make, 
  whether you were aware of it or not at the beginning.
Just as this is applicable to refining a software solution captured in code, just as a painter discards unsatisfactory paintings and tries again, so too is it when people say, "that picture didn't come out the way I like, let's take another one."
williamcotton 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Photography’s rapid commercialisation [21] meant that many painters – or prospective painters – were tempted to take up photography instead of, or in addition to, their painting careers. Most of these new photographers produced portraits. As these were far cheaper and easier to produce than painted portraits, portraits ceased to be the privilege of the well-off and, in a sense, became democratised [22].

Some commentators dismissed this trend towards photography as simply a beneficial weeding out of second-raters. For example, the writer Louis Figuier commented that photography did art a service by putting mediocre artists out of business, for their only goal was exact imitation. Similarly, Baudelaire described photography as the “refuge of failed painters with too little talent”. In his view, art was derived from imagination, judgment and feeling but photography was mere reproduction which cheapened the products of the beautiful [23].

https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html#:~:te...

CamperBob2 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference.

You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day.

Guess what, they got over it. You will too.

lkey 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What stole the joy you must have felt, fleetingly, as a child that beheld the world with fresh eyes, full of wonder?

Did you imagine yourself then, as your are now, hunched over a glowing rectangle. Demanding imperiously that the world share your contempt for the sublime. Share your jaundiced view of those that pour the whole of themselves into the act of creation, so that everyone might once again be graced with wonder anew.

I hope you can find a work of art that breaks you free of your resentment.

ceuk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you for brightening my morning with a brief moment of romantic idealism in a black ocean of cynicism

kuerbel 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Love your comment.

I took the liberty of pasting it to chatgpt and asked it to write another paragraph in the same style:

Perhaps it is easier to sneer than to feel, to dull the edges of awe before it dares to wound you with longing. Cynicism is a tidy shelter: no drafts of hope, no risk of being moved. But it is also a small room, airless, where nothing grows. Somewhere beyond that glowing rectangle, the world is still doing its reckless, generous thing—colors insisting on being seen, sounds reaching out without permission, hands shaping meaning out of nothing. You could meet it again, if you chose, not as a judge but as a witness, and remember that wonder is not naïveté. It is courage, practiced quietly.

balamatom 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you for the AI warning, so I didn't have to read that.

exodust 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Plot twist. The comment you love is the cynical one, responding to someone who clearly embraces the new by rising above caution and concern. Your GPT addition has missed the context, but at least you've provided a nice little paradox.

AdieuToLogic 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> Cameras have not replaced paintings, assuming this is the inference.

> You wouldn't have known that, going by all the bellyaching and whining from the artists of the day.

> Guess what, they got over it.

You conveniently omitted my next sentence, which contradicts your position and reads thusly:

  Instead, they serve only to be an additional medium for the 
  same concerns quoted ...
> You will too.

This statement is assumptive and gratuitous.

CamperBob2 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Username checks out, at least.

AdieuToLogic 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Username checks out, at least.

Thoughtful retorts such as this are deserving of the same esteem one affords the "rubber v glue"[0] idiom.

As such, I must oblige.

0 - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I%27m+rubber%2c+you%27r...

salawat 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Logic needs to be shown the door on occasion. Sometimes via the help of an ole Irish bar toss.

kranner 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Guess what, they got over it. You will too.

Prediction is difficult, especially of the future.

cjohnson318 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, and cameras changed art forever.

exodust 7 hours ago | parent [-]

people still make clay pots and paint landscapes

navigate8310 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Creativity is not what would expect out of the Renaissance

vermilingua 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Source?

CamperBob2 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Art history. It's how we ended up with Impressionism, for instance.

People felt (wrongly) that traditional representational forms like portraiture were threatened by photography. Happily, instead of killing any existing genres, we got some interesting new ones.