It's not that bad. It's well integrated into Sharepoint, Exchange, and Office, and does the job. I've used both Slack and Teams and if you're using MS365, then Teams is absolutely the better option.

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sigmoid10 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who has gone from 100% Slack in startups to all-in Teams in big corpo, I disagree. Teams won't even display all office file formats without you having to open the dedicated app. And if it does it's usually a half-baked browser mess. And don't even get me started on the UX or meeting options or mobile support or the complete lack of a dedicated Linux client. I don't need one app to do everything half-assed, I need one app that does exactly what it's meant for well. Preferably on every platform.

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thewebguyd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I don't need one app to do everything half-assed

That's primarily why it sucks, and that seems to be Microsoft's standard operating procedure. Everything they put out is in the category of "does everything, but half-assed with a web of fragile "integrations" that break if you look at it funny."

Worse, it's all SharePoint all the way down. Every team (and private channel!) is a SharePoint site, every user's OneDrive in the same tenant is a personal SharePoint Site. Every M365 Group gets its own SharePoint site (and mailbox). Creating a Team also creates an M365 group, but not vice versa.

Heaven forbid you rename something in the stack or you are in for a world of pain.

It's also by design that way. SharePoint storage is expensive, and boy what a disaster it is to ever try and get your data out of it.

Yet, for some reason, companies keep buying it and keep using it, letting Microsoft suck them in and hold them there for eternity.

If you're starting a new company, never, ever, buy anything Microsoft. Just don't go down that road. It's not worth it.

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orochimaaru 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not why your big corp chooses teams and the msft suite. From a corp perspective they don’t care about your edge case. There’s only - is it good for 90% of my use cases across the enterprise? And - do I get a bundle discount? Last but not the least - do I need to expend developer resources on it vs anything else?

Yeah, there is half assed stuff. But it’s not what most of the big corp uses anyway. So your little dev specific use case isn’t going to get much traction.

Teams does one thing well. It can do group chats and team calls. That’s most of what people use it for. And your corp gets a discount bundle.

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calgoo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Our CEO Decided to use his own phone, use zoom instead of the corporate Teams, and uses ChatGPT where the rest of us are stuck with MS copilot test licenses. I guess its good to be at the top!

	▲	joe_mamba 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Reminds me when at my previous company, management got themselves top macbooks for filing excel sheets and replying to emails, while rank and file engineers got the budget Lenovos with 8GB RAM
	▲	orochimaaru 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Depends on company size and how much influence legal, security and asset protection have. Usually at big corp I haven’t seen a ceo actually schedule their own calls or deal with day to day bullshit. They have a whole team of staff for that.

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0cf8612b2e1e 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you don’t want a half assed simulacra version, shouldn’t you prefer Teams open the native application?

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clhodapp 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For many of us, you are describing a black hole of integrated nightmare software

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cbolton 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sharepoint... the only webapp I have to use that feels worse than Teams. I swear when I open the intranet landing page, the loading, reloading, resizing, rereloading, re-whatever takes at least 10 seconds to settle. How can engineers build something be so inefficient?

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boringg 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is 100% that bad.

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x0x0 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The children who write Teams cannot reliably deliver notifications on my mac without me restarting Teams every morning.

I've spent a full day attempting to send a webhook in. Teams used to work like slack (a channel admin can create an endpoint; you post to it.) Microsoft deprecated that because it worked. It's now a maze of permissions and it silently fails with no error messages at all.

Scrollback regularly fails and also requires app restart.

I cannot insert images into a channel w/ a customer via drag and drop, but I can paste them by opening them in preview, copying the image, and cmd+v into the channel. I wasted 4 hours w/ support trying to figure out why I can't drag images into the shared channel before giving up. This is typical of the Teams experience.

I could go on. Besides facebook's tools, it is the worst piece of software I've used and a demonstration of monopoly power to distribute total garbage. Slack has issues, but it does reliably do the core thing.

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creamyhorror 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> I cannot insert images into a channel w/ a customer via drag and drop

Yup, we struggle with this. Seems to have to do with needing to pay for seats in order to have file-sharing allowed (but you can still paste Sharepoint/Onedrive links). Can't share files if there's even a single external person in the chat/channel. Forced us to buy another seat subscription. It's great!

	▲	x0x0 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That kinda makes sense (and thank you!), but I think the comprehensive incompetence is thus: 1 - fails 2 - w/ no useful feedback to user; 3 - I couldn't get support to tell me why (fine, small account), but the customer with 900 licensed seats couldn't either Fortunately, said customer has come to the realization of how very bad it is and is hopefully migrating to Slack.

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blitzar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Sharepoint, Exchange, and Office

A holy trinity if ever I have seen one.

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Lio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Teams not being able to do threaded conversations consistently or reliably is a massive pain for me. I hate it. Corporate IT is just hell for users.

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soco 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Okay and what exactly does this integration bring?

- opening Sharepoint pages in Teams' half-baked browser;

- opening Word or Excel in Teams' own half-baked editor;

- Exchange integration is the calendar, period. Nothing else. The only thing actually usable.

Am I missing anything?