| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 4 hours ago |
| You don't buy Apple products because of the quality, you buy it because its more expensive than the value of it. Its a demonstration of wealth. This is called Veblen good, and a phenomena called out as early as Thomas Hobbes. What you need to do is carry 2 phones. A phone that does the job, and a phone for style. I didn't invent the laws of nature, I just follow them. |
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| ▲ | ohyoutravel 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This is a conclusion that comes with some personal baggage you should identify and consider addressing. |
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| ▲ | PlatoIsADisease 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Admittedly, I hate companies that live off their marketing. Nintendo, Disney, Apple. I hate that these companies can weaponize psychology against humans. Function > Form. I think its a Hero Complex, if Jung is correct. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes because 60% of US phone buyers buy an iPhone to stand out from the average US phone buyer and they shouldn’t because it doesn’t run local llm’s well? | |
| ▲ | DJBunnies 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Macbooks and iPhones are good devices though, saying this as a primarily linux user. There is no way a company could exist purely on marketing, Apple backs it up with tech. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Some companies definitely do just exist on marketing. Some clothing brands are objectively overpriced crap and pure wealth signalling. Or something like a juicero. But I agree Apple doesn't even though they've gone into a direction I couldn't follow them in. |
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| ▲ | anonymars 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd almost say most companies live or die off their marketing. One could argue that understanding your customer as well as or better than they understand themselves is a strength. To wit, some people do value form over function. Some people do prefer a safe, curated walled garden. I am not among them--I say this as someone who cannot stand using most Apple products for more than a minute. But I respect what they offer(ed) and for some people even recommended them. (Now I'm less sure because it seems like everything tech has gone to shit, but I can't tell if that's just "old man yells at cloud" or what) Ideally there would be enough competition for us all to find what we're looking for. I think anticompetitive behavior is a worse sin | |
| ▲ | kulahan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | All three of these companies are supremely dedicated to the customer experience. It’s a weird thing to be annoyed at. Ninty is the only company really experimenting with gaming hardware. Disney parks are a thesis on hiding the “behind the scenes” stuff perfectly. Apple does its best to make things just kinda work well, and if you’re in their ecosystem fully, it usually does work out. Not everyone cares for the most capable device on the planet. Sometimes people just want a pretty familiar and easy experience. I haven’t used my phone for anything more than browsing the web and texting in ages. I absolutely don’t care about whatever function you think I’m missing due to Apple, honestly. As a side note, the fathers of Psychology were absolutely terrible scientists. The entire field almost failed because they took it so far into pseudo-science land. Of course Jung isn’t correct. |
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| ▲ | gambiting 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, I think it's cultural. In US it seems like everyone has an iphone, it's almost kinda quirky not to have one. But in some other places, an iPhone is more than your monthly salary - having one is definitely a symbol of status. Less so than it used to be, but it still has that. | | |
| ▲ | dghlsakjg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | iPhones in the US have an estimate ~55% market share depending on source. Owning an Android wasn't unusual in the least when I lived there, and appears to be pretty popular. I don't think its unusual that a country with high median income and higher average income will tend to gravitate towards more expensive phones. Given that Apple doesn't make a cheap phone, it kind of follows that wealthier countries will buy more iPhones. Of course the opposite is true as well, In a country where an iPhone is measured in months of salary, they won't sell well, but I'd be willing to bet that Androids in that price tier sell like shit in those countries too. Is it a status symbol? arguably. But it also correlates pretty strongly with median income. | |
| ▲ | ohyoutravel 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Fair, but that’s a comment on a US-centric website, run by a US-centric company, in a US-centric industry, on a US-centric medium. So if they didn’t mean US, I think the onus is on them to clarify exactly where this applies. |
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| ▲ | dghlsakjg 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I severely doubt your thesis around iPhones being Veblen goods. You are claiming that if the price of the iPhone went down, apple would sell fewer phones? Correspondingly, you are arguing that if they increased prices they could increase sales? You are claiming that 100s of millions of people have all made the decision that the price of an iPhone is more than it is worth to them as a device, but is made up for by being seen with one in your hand? Not all goods that signify status are Veblen goods. |
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| ▲ | jwrallie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can you prove that is still the case with the iPhone SE by showing a comparable hardware with similar long support on software updates and lower price? |
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| ▲ | B1FF_PSUVM 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Its a demonstration of wealth. This is called Veblen good Just the other day I was reminded of the poor little "I am rich" iOS app (a thousand dollar ruby icon that performed diddly squat by design), which Apple deep-sixed from the app store PDQ. If misery loves company, Veblen goods sure don't. |