| ▲ | mittermayr 4 hours ago |
| I can only recommend giving headscale a try. It's free, works extremely well, and can be used with the official Tailscale clients. Was super easy to set up. https://headscale.net/stable/ |
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| ▲ | FazJaxton 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Could you give a brief description of your use case? I'm looking at all the tailscale buzzwords on their site, but am not really understanding what I would use this for in my home setup |
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| ▲ | rpastuszak 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure about the parent, but here's what I use it for: - easy access my other, older machines from my phone or work laptop to: - self-host a Coolify server (a "vercel-lite" control panel) - remote connect to my older laptop to run tests/longer coding tasks for work (e.g. large browser test suites, sandboxed claude running in bg to answer longer code questions, or build fire and forget spikes/experiments) - control my home cinema remotely (remote+ app bc it's easy and Remote Desktop). - use w. Mullvad VPN as an exit note (Tailscale has a really easy UI for it nowadays) - use it like ngrok to expose my dev servers to the internet (e.g. when sharing a quick demo/pairing with a coworker) - cheap NAS - I the old mac is connected to an external HD (the HD itself is archived to Hetzner) I haven't (yet) tested it as an alternative to Hamachi (is it still a thing?) but I'm planing a LAN party with my brothers who live across the continent. Like you, I also didn't know what the fuss was about and I'm generally cautious not to get sidetracked. | |
| ▲ | ErneX 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have some servers sending their telegraf data to a server in my home using the tailnet instead of opening a port on my firewall for that, to name one use case. It has a pretty good ACL functionality, you can configure which hosts with certain tag can access certain routes. |
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| ▲ | markonen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Apparently they've deprecated Postgres support and now only recommend sqlite as the storage backend. I have nothing against sqlite but to me this looks like Tailscale actively signaling what they think the expected use of headscale is. |
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| ▲ | ghrl 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://headscale.net/stable/about/faq/#scaling-how-many-cli... > Scaling / How many clients does Headscale support?
> It depends. As often stated, Headscale is not enterprise software and our focus is homelabbers and self-hosters. Of course, we do not prevent people from using it in a commercial/professional setting and often get questions about scaling.
> Please note that when Headscale is developed, performance is not part of the consideration as the main audience is considered to be users with a modest amount of devices. We focus on correctness and feature parity with Tailscale SaaS over time. [...]
> Headscale calculates a map of all nodes that need to talk to each other, creating this "world map" requires a lot of CPU time. When an event that requires changes to this map happens, the whole "world" is recalculated, and a new "world map" is created for every node in the network. [...]
> Headscale will start to struggle when [there are] e.g. many nodes with frequent changes will cause the resource usage to remain constantly high. In the worst case scenario, the queue of nodes waiting for their map will grow to a point where Headscale never will be able to catch up, and nodes will never learn about the current state of the world. I find that quite interesting and it is one of the reasons I've not really considered trying out Headscale myself. | | |
| ▲ | TheCraiggers 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why? Makes perfect sense to me. Designing a product with a specific use case in mind is good. When you've got the limited resources of am open source volunteer project, trying to solve every problem is a recipe for burnout. If it can even be done. |
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| ▲ | athrowaway3z 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I dont understand what these two have to do with anything? The db-use is almost trivial, and SQLite can be embedded. Why would we want wasted effort and configuration complexity on supporting postgres? | | |
| ▲ | flammafex 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | prmoustache 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | With that kind of logic you wouldn't need headscale and would just ask your favorite LLM to write a similar tool for your with your own requirements and nothing else. | | |
| ▲ | flammafex 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, not really necessary to extrapolate the logic any further. You have deemed a very specific and focused task as "wasted effort." So the logic leads to putting in the effort you do not find "wasteful" and outsource the remainder to the LLM do this very specific thing. |
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| ▲ | jscd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tailscale itself only uses sqlite[1], so I’m not sure if that really holds in this case. [1]: https://tailscale.com/blog/database-for-2022 | | |
| ▲ | markonen 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | TIL! My problem with them requiring sqlite was that I assumed it would make a high availability setup either hard or impossible. Maybe that's not true, but definitely off the beaten path for headscale. |
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| ▲ | khana 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | tucnak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, Headscale people don't hide that it's a toy. I didn't get a homelab full of datacentre-grade equipment because I want to use toy, nonscaling solutions with vastly incomplete feature sets, but for the exact opposite reason. On a different note; the HN obsession with SQLite these days is getting a bit tiresome. |
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| ▲ | rpastuszak 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Any luck using with with a VPN like Mullvad as an exit node? |
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| ▲ | mstaoru an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Headscale is good. We're using to manage a two isolated networks of about 400 devices each. It just works. It's in China so official Tailscale DERPs do not work, but enabling built-in DERP was very easy. |
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| ▲ | db04 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Is Headscale suitable for production use? |
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| ▲ | tucnak 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, it's only viable if your whole network is, like, five devices. | | |
| ▲ | protimewaster an hour ago | parent [-] | | I assume this is an exaggeration? Another poster says they have good luck with headscale on two networks of 400 devices. |
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