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NoboruWataya 3 hours ago

> Samsung’s S series secured a spot in the list for the second consecutive year, reflecting the brand’s continued focus on its flagship lineup.

I'm kind of surprised the latest S series phone isn't on there every year. I've always thought of it as the premium non-Apple phone.

Samsung annoy me with all the bloatware etc but the hardware is decent. I am in, I think, my seventh year with my S10 and it's going strong.

thewebguyd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Samsung has really been dropping the ball and has basically reduced themselves to a "No kids, we have Apple at home" clones outside of their fold line ups. Their OneUI updates have borrowed heavily from liquid glass.

The S series have had the same camera hardware since the S22, and the upcoming S26 is no different. That's 5 years of the same exact hardware, and borderline the same display since the S21.

People like to give Apple shit for releasing the same phone year after year, but Samsung has literally been releasing the same exact phone for 4+ years now.

Now, they scrapped the edge late, brought back the plus, delayed the S26 because Apple forced them to put 256GB as the base storage instead of 128, and there's rumours of a wider aspect ratio fold on top of the regular fold. They're just throwing spaghetti at the wall trying to see what sticks.

Samsung has no vision.

gruturo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Samsung has no vision.

I entirely agree with you, and profoundly dislike them, but it's clearly working for them if their financials don't lie. While most other manufacturers bleed money, Samsung had healthy profits on smartphones last time I checked. It still puzzles me that anyone would buy them at all, but I've long accepted that I'm not a representative sample.

So given that, I don't see why they would bother coming up with a vision after all this time.

vizzier 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I managed to purge myself of Apple as of a couple of years back by getting an s24 ultra.

Main things that stand out over apple:

- Much higher resolution camera w/ pretty incredible zoom. Though overall picture quality is a far closer comparison.

- S-pen, mostly used for its remote capability, shame they dropped that for the s25...

- Samsung Dex. I use my phone as my laptop daily, I've also used it as a dumb terminal for remote gaming while travelling which works exceptionally well

- Access to alternative browsers, ad blocking, alternate stores, side loading apps etc

While Google is no angel Apple actively works against open systems and control of your own devices, I'm glad to be out of that ecosystem.

sounds 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Samsung seems to be targetting a sweet spot. "Costs less than Apple, superficially looks like an iPhone, product lineup includes smaller form factors, good enough."

It doesn't work for me, but that's because I courageously use my headphone jack.

kube-system 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I personally don't see the appeal of a premium product that includes bloatware when you can now get premium products without bloatware. I tolerated it in the early days of smartphones when there were fewer options and even fewer good options, but their "improvements" always felt gimmicky.

ganzman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've owned the SII, Note 4 (and a few Pixels in between) and now the S24. The S24 is by far the worst Android phone I've used. Massive battery drain on stand-by, even with AOD off. It has about half the battery live of a Pixel 5. Many accidental touches when in your pocket which will screw up all sorts of settings. Annoying push for their AI. Sub-par fingerprint sensor. The only reason I bought this phone was because it is one of the last compact phones around.

Numerlor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Samsung had been kind of side grading their flagships and offering worse SOCs depending on location, paired with there plainly being more options for Android there'll be more variety spread out over the different manufacturers

silisili 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Samsung has really fallen behind the last couple years IMO. They use very different chips in different regions, and refuse for some reason to embrace bigger batteries.

Phones out of China these days are all sporting ~7000mah batteries, even in smaller form factors. Samsung's biggest phone only has 5000, and that's not a small difference in battery life.

Maybe they're still reeling from the Note 7 fiasco?

jcims 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To this day my S6 was the phone I was actually happiest with. Mostly just because of its durability, fit and feel (and the screen of course) rather than any particular tech spec.

cassepipe 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am stuck on the (still working) S7. The physical home, back and application view button just feel so nice, that and the size, it actually fits in my hand, and pants pocket too.

kube-system 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I loved the feel and size of the S3. The rounded and smooth back felt great in the hand and you could throw that thing around without a case and it took it like a champ. If anyone make a modern phone like that again I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

russellbeattie 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That "bloatware" is just alternatives to Google's software and systems, and much of it isn't bad, if not better.

I prefer the Gallery app over Google Photos, the Samsung My Files app is cleaner than Google Files, Studio is a decent video editor, Samsung Notes is a capable rich text editor with pen support, Dex is a usable desktop shell, and more. Anything I don't like - like Bixby, Store, Keyboard, Wallet, Pass and Internet - I can easily replace and even hide them in the Settings. Combined they take up minimal storage.

I'm not sure what people expect Samsung to do, just use whatever Google says to use and not try to innovate?

NoboruWataya 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I'm not sure what people expect Samsung to do, just use whatever Google says to use and not try to innovate?

To me, the benefit of the S series was "Android on decent hardware". I would have preferred as close to stock Android as possible. I mostly use F-Droid stuff anyway, though of course that means I am far from the average consumer.

They are primarily a hardware company - it seems reasonable to expect them to innovate there, and leave innovation in software to the software companies.

aucisson_masque 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No I think when people speak of bloatware, they think more about, for instance, the 3 preinstalled Facebook app. Of which 2 of them are systemized, effectively hidden and can’t be uninstalled.

gambiting 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>>Samsung annoy me with all the bloatware etc but the hardware is decent

I used to buy every S Ultra phone every year, thinking the same - this year I bought the latest Oppo instead and wow, what a bubble I used to live in. The battery alone blows the Ultras out of the water, the chip is just as fast but stays cool, the camera and the screen are just better. The only thing that Samsung had over this was the anti reflective coating. Oh and it actually charges like a modern phone not something from 2015.

alexdumitru 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I used to buy Samsung from S1 to S21, then I got a pixel and now the Oppo Find X9 Pro and wow, I forget to charge it. I've had days when I go to sleep with almost 80% battery. The pixel lasted me half day

Shalomboy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've been a pixel guy since HTC was making them for google, and honestly jumping from the 6 to the 9 has made me think that pastures are greener someplace else.

gambiting 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah I had it for 2 months now and I haven't had a single day finished with less than 50%. My S24 Ultra I usually had to charge around 3-4pm or it would be going into power saving mode by 8-9pm

stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Samsung annoy me with all the bloatware etc

This is why it never has been and will never be considered a premium android phone. Samsung's apps are awful.

bluegatty 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's amazing that all those other companies have not figured out that their apps are generally bloat, and they release all sorts of models to Apple's fairly tight lineup.

The winning example of tight product management is right there for them, but they continue to act like 'feature factories' without any concious 'whole product' design philosophy.

Probably many people within these organizations are aware, but they don't have the power to resist ingrained operational culture.

MBCook 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There is a possible winning strategy in trying to cover bases Apple isn’t interested in. Apple has shown that they’ll make phones that seem to be successful to some degree (the mini) but just aren’t successful enough by whatever internal metric Apple is using. And there are some things they just don’t have right now like foldable phones.

(I’m aware of the rumors)

That doesn’t mean you can’t go overboard. I don’t know Samsung’s current lineup, but I think we’ve all seen PC manufacturers who make 75 different models that are all just ever so slightly different for seemingly no reason.

linkage 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I disagree. Samsung Notes has always been more useful and better designed than Google Keep, especially the way it works with the S-pen. GoodLock makes it possible to customize your Galaxy phone in ways that are impossible even with developer mode on the Pixel series.

nine_k 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which apps are the bloatware I keep hearing about? I use an S20 for several years, and the only custom (non-vanilla Android) apps I seem to be using are the camera, and the photo gallery in connection to it. Both are fine, do not require a Samsung account, etc.

recursive 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The last Samsung phone I owned had a hardware button for launching Bixby. I've never wanted to use Bixby in my life. To this day I have no interest in learning what it actually does. You could not change the function of this button. It was just a button that I would press accidentally that would begin the apparently laborious process of starting up Bixby.

I'll probably never buy another Samsung.

Edit: Just thought of another one. I remember reading the news about how Android SMS was getting upgraded to have emojis or reactions or something. I don't remember the details. But it didn't work on my phone. A year later, I realized it was because I was using the Samsung messages app, instead of the Google one. I didn't even realize it.

blell 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's so bad that phones come with a "Samsung Global Goals" app to push the UN ideology.

>The Samsung Global Goals app is a, CSR initiative partnering with the UNDP to promote 17 Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) to end poverty, fight inequality, and fix climate change by 2030.

ahartmetz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>to push the UN ideology

I think you fell into the wrong rabbithole somewhere

Such virtue signaling by app is lame and hypocritical, but the UN is far too divided to be pushing anything.

blell 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The wrong rabbit hole of finding a pre installed app pushing politics to be icky.

yunohn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> This is why it never has been and will never be considered a premium android phone.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the S series is objectively considered a premium android phone by basically everyone. By your standard, the only possible contender is Google’s Pixel lineup, but I get the feeling you might consider Google’s forced 1st party apps as intrusive too.

kube-system 3 hours ago | parent [-]

gApps and its stipulations are forced on all downstream android partners too. That's just part of how the capital-A Android ecosystem works. Generally google's apps are decent though and people refer to their minimal distribution as being "not bloatware".

baal80spam 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Come on, don't you just love Bixby?