| ▲ | crazygringo 3 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> Fake would imply that the people releasing the population estimates have a much better estimate but are choosing to instead publish a made up number. That is literally what the article describes, though, in Papua New Guinea. And it describes why states in Nigeria have such a strong incentive to fake their population numbers, that it's impossible to achieve an accurate national total. I do think the headline exaggerates, I doubt "a lot" are fake, but some do seem to be. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | jjk166 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> That is literally what the article describes, though, in Papua New Guinea. No it doesn't. It says the UN came up with a different estimate, which the UN wound up not adopting. There is no evidence that the UN estimate actually used better methods. > I do think the headline exaggerates, I doubt "a lot" are fake, but some do seem to be. I am strictly arguing against "a lot" being fake, and specifically that an isolated example is not evidence of "a lot." | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | observationist 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Any country where there's no robust free press and legal protections for things like criticizing the government is lying about nearly everything, in the direction where the government feels it is advantageous to lie. If they feel they get a benefit from inflating population, they will inflate population, and it won't be subtle. The WHO and other international organizations are not legitimate sources of information; they take direction from their host countries and report numbers as directed. If you pick any country and look at proxies that have significant cost associated with them, at relative population levels of verified locations, the population of the world differs pretty radically from the claims most countries put out. If you don't have independent verification free from censorial pressures and legal repercussions, then you get propaganda. This is human nature, whether it stems from abuse of power or wanting to tell a story that's aspirational or from blatant incompetence or corruption. Population numbers fall under the "lies, damned lies, and statistics" umbrella. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | Braxton1980 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
How is a strong incentive alone evidence of wrongdoing? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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