Toyota sells a lot of Camrys and Corollas. It is nice that they also make (made?) Supras and 86s.

Also we can have a conversation without tossing the "everyone hates Tesla!" poison down the well immediately.

The difference there is that Supra's and 86's are performance cars, whereas Camry's and Corollas arent. You can't compare a Hatchback to an 86.

The Model S is comparable performance to the Model 3 performance.

My point is that the latest models 3 & Y are more affordable alternatives to the S & X and more widely available globally.

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cosmicgadget 17 hours ago | parent [-]

Okay that's my ignorance of Tesla models then, I assumed the more expensive models were also faster.

I guess then it's more like Toyota EOLing Lexus or GM getting rid of Cadillac.

I understand the point that the cheaper models are higher volume. Historically that had not precluded the creation of sports and luxury models for most manufacturers. Are the legacy brands wrong to do this? Currently I doubt their business acumen far less than Elon's.

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NoPicklez 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The model 3 performance model does 0-100 in 3.1 seconds, the model S does that in 2.1, it is therefore faster by a second but 3.1 will beat most cars off the line quite comfortably. The Supra for context does that in 4.1 seconds.

Nothing wrong with keeping a sport and luxury model, however I would argue that the latest models are quite sporty and luxurious in their own right.

Companies like Ford constantly discontinue models, but they don't get the level of attention Tesla does.

If Tesla aren't seeing the Model S and X being sold to anywhere near the degree of the 3 and the Y, then why continue making them? They aren't as globally available and its clear people don't want them as much as the others.

	▲	cosmicgadget 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think we're sort of back at the beginning here. They are welcome to focus on their bestsellers. Traditional automotive wisdom would favor halo models and upper trim models so people can boast about a sedan that can out-drag a Supra. > Companies like Ford constantly discontinue models, but they don't get the level of attention Tesla does. If they axed 2/5 of their models it might. But they're also not run by an attention wh- addict with an Apple-like fanbase. Oh and also they're axing 2/5 of their models to build teleoperated robots. Seems like the attention is well deserved here.

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rossjudson 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The S is faster than any other Tesla. Non-plaid S and X are much faster than non P 3 and Y.

Your main point is highly valid. Why does any manufacturer bother to make anything better than a Camry?

Because it makes money, of course.

	▲	NoPicklez 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Well in Tesla's case they clearly dont