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hparadiz 2 hours ago

X11 has basically no development anymore. That means regressions are entirely ignored.

I switched my Gentoo box from X11 to Wayland three years ago at this point.

It's shocking that people still install X11 as a default in 2026 except with very old hardware.

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simoncion an hour ago | parent [-]

> X11 has basically no development anymore.

Odd. Every few months, I see a new xorg-server version in my distro's package manager.

> That means regressions are entirely ignored.

Should I ever actually have a problem, and it's something that I can't (or CBA to) fix, and my distro's maintainers don't want to try to fix (and then tell me that upstream will never fix), then I'll look more closely at XLibre. XLibre may or may not be a dumpster fire at that point, who knows? If it is a dumpster fire, then I'll look around for other alternatives.

> It's shocking that people still install X11 as a default in [TYOOL]

Nah. It works fine for what I'm doing. I don't do anything that depends on Wayland. The shocking thing would be if I were to waste a ton of time chasing the new shiny... especially when those responsible for the new shiny have been lying for the past 10+ years about how it's ready for everyone's general use. [0]

[0] Perhaps it's ready now, after nearly eighteen years in development. I can't rely on the statements of those responsible for the project to tell me, and I CBA to go searching for (and evaluating the trustworthiness of) information on the topic.

	▲	hparadiz 33 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Odd. Every few months, I see a new xorg-server version in my distro's package manager. Yea these are security updates but the eco system requires a lot of desktop manager scaffolding in user space. That has basically stopped. It's baffling why you would run X11 today. The X11 emulation layer for Wayland works great too by the way. Just as one example when you screen share from discord or zoom or Google meets there's now a pop-up that asks you to select the screen or window you wish to latch on to for streaming. This provides some security. With X11 anything can just take a screenshot at any time. Sure that's convenient but so many apps don't even support X11 anymore. As someone that made the switch three years ago I get how you might think the old system is better but in reality you haven't tried the new one so you don't really have a way to compare. I noticed so many quality of life fixes that I can't even imagine running X11 anymore.