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dzonga 11 hours ago

Insightful Comment from X - https://xcancel.com/PlumbNick/status/2016500347053773198?s=2...

I was an L7, I led global AI enablement. I built systems executives depended on, moved wherever the company needed me and fixed problems that had been sitting untouched because no one else could untangle them.

And I was still cut.

Here’s the part we’re all supposed to politely ignore: in the U.S. right now, experience isn’t an asset, it’s a liability. And if you’re expensive because you’re good at what you do, the system eventually “optimizes” you out.

We're now in the realm of hold onto your nuts -- sink or swim -- ownership of your own company is the only way out

Aurornis 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That person's pinned message shows that he started his campaign for Congress almost 2 months ago. He says he was laid off today. He's been Tweeting non-stop daily and appears to be working hard on his campaign.

I don't think you can separate his active run for Congress from this layoff. Making an actual run for Congress is a huge time commitment and I don't see how it would be compatible with being an L7 manager at Amazon. It's not something you do in your free time.

His campaign platform also appears to be about AI taking jobs, so I'm more than a little suspicious that getting laid off was part of the plan rather than an actual surprise.

The claim that he "built systems" should also be taken in the context of his job title, which was in product management. I've held the Product Manager title for a few years, but I wouldn't claim "I built" during those times, because I was not the one doing the building. This strikes me as a little misleading.

Also that post is full of classic LLM-ism from beginning to end. Note the overuse of the "It's not this, it's that" format and other LLM tells. I might give someone the benefit of the doubt if they were immersed in LLMs so long that they started speaking like an LLM, but given all of the other context surrounding this post I have a high suspicion it was written by AI.

ad8e 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your suspicion is right; it is 100% AI-generated. https://www.pangram.com/history/8b593dcc-6a7d-496f-8c80-a588...

fireant 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh wow, the guy used the word "versatility"... he even dared "narrative" and "just" - the latter one two times! Astonishing, does he have no shame copy pasting this obvious AI slop? It is obvious that no person in their right mind would utter such things!

geodel 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From my LinkedIn feed I feel those Nigerian princes of past are now Amazon L7 managers.

_heimdall 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't it illegal to base layoffs on individual performance? My understanding was that it can't legally be considered a layoff unless it meets pretty strict selection requirements at the group level (cutting orgs, cutting a "random" % of a role or org to reduce headcount, etc).

HaloZero 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not sure why that would illegal? Your own performance isn’t protected in anyway as a class that you can’t control. I know Lyft 100% laid off people not hitting meets expectations in 2020 first

dboreham 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In the US, saying that "your job has been eliminated" mitigates various legal risks (discrimination lawsuits for example). So although companies can do pretty much WTF they want, they also don't like being sued.

embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Making an actual run for Congress is a huge time commitment and I don't see how it would be compatible with being an L7 manager at Amazon.

Does that matter? If people vote for him, he'll end up in Congress, regardless of "it matching" or not. The current president is a TV celebrity who ran a bunch of failed businesses, some middle manager from Amazon could surely be in Congress then?

Aurornis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant that planning and running his campaign for Congress is incompatible with being in a demanding position at a FAANG company because campaigning and fundraising is a job in itself.

If you scroll through his timeline, he's been gaining publicity by releasing videos critical of Amazon, too. There's too much of a conflict of interest involved with letting someone like that remain in a high position within the company.

freehorse 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Regardless what one may think of this guy, we are talking about mass layoffs. I doubt this mattered, or that they were very personally targeted.

wasabi991011 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you missed what GP was implying, which is that the tweeter must have been slacking at their Amazon job and spending company time on their congressional run.

embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah, yes, that might be, that'd make sense too. Thanks.

dymk 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

7 years at Amazon without being laid off (promoted, in fact) and you blame it on 2 months of what you assume is poor performance

michaelt 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In my experience, big corporate employers get extremely nervous when their employees start doing anything high profile (i.e. successful) in the political sphere.

After all, if 250 people report to me, probably some of them are going to have opinion A and some are going to have opinion B. If I take a strong public stance in support of A and against B, some of the more nervous B supporters are going to worry I hate them personally and fear I'm a threat to their career - and they're probably going to go to HR about it.

And even if my job doesn't give me any hiring-and-firing powers - if I'm high profile enough that a load of random haters decide they're going to try to get me fired by subjecting my employer to a campaign of harassment, well, now folks like HR and customer services are getting harassed.

Obviously, though, I've never seen a corporation have a blanket policy saying employees can't engage with the political system - that would be pretty bad as a policy. Instead they'll quote policies about 'bringing the company into disrepute' and similar.

Aurornis 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's simpler than that. In his timeline he's showing how he's getting headlines for releasing videos critical of Amazon, his own employer. He was using his position at Amazon to lend more credibility to his platform.

Aurornis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> and you blame it on 2 months of what you assume is poor performance

The official registration and launch of the campaign was 2 months ago, but he started long before that. If you read his timeline he didn't just wake up one day and decide to run for Congress 2 months ago.

levocardia 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's especially funny is that the post reads exactly like it was written by an AI.

tills13 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> in the U.S. right now, experience isn’t an asset, it’s a liability

this is a HUGE red flag for this comment being written be AI. Before 2025, nobody talked like this.

hyperbovine 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Uhm, plenty of phrases like this existed before 12 months ago.

mrandish an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Before 2025, nobody talked like this.

I enjoy writing posts online and I've been doing it since the days of BBSs and 300 baud modems, transitioning to Usenet and nowadays mostly just here on HN. People seem to find my posts generally informative and sometimes even mention they're well written. In school I always got good marks on creative and essay writing and in the early days of my startups I wrote some of the user documentation and all the advertising copy (one of which won an advertising award). So, I think I'm at least a bit better than average at writing. And I've never used AI for writing anything.

But in the last few months I've had posts accused of being "AI writing" TWICE (once here on HN and the other was on a retro-computing forum). So I Googled through a random sampling of around 50-ish of my own posts going back a couple decades. Damn. 90s me was naive about a few things. And I found three examples which are kind of like that pattern you described. I guess I'm screwed because apparently that's just how I sometimes write and no one ever minded before. And I have proof I wrote that way long before AI did... oh.

It just occurred to me that maybe some of my Usenet posts could be a small part of why AI writes like that. But I was here first! I should have dibs on writing like me. Regardless, I definitely don't want anyone here to think my writing is AI output - using AI would be disrespectful to the community I enjoy participating in. Recently, I've noticed a few times where I start second guessing something I wrote before hitting "Reply" which makes writing not fun. Once, I just hit delete and logged off without posting. It wasn't that good of a post anyway.

Now it occurs to me I'm not really sure what my point is other than venting. So much for being a better-than-average writer. I guess I'd like people to at least be really careful about making accusations - unless you're very sure. I mean, I get it. I hate AI slop too. I enjoy reading good posts here even more than writing posts. Slop sucks. But errant accusations can have a chilling effect or they've had some effect on me.

Oh, wait was that last sentence too much like THE pattern? No... it's an either/or so I think it's probably okay.

And, to be clear, I promise I didn't plan that sentence as some kind of example. I wrote it and only then did I wonder if it might be too much like THE pattern. Maybe this is one of the ways AI destroys community. Simply by making us second guess each other - and then that gets some of us second-guessing ourselves. Shit, I just noticed I used a dash in the last sentence... but at least it's not an em dash, so I should be good. I just suck at semicolons and started using dashes as a lazy shortcut. My freshman comp teacher complained about it too. Wait, did I use dashes anywhere else? Checking... Shit. I did. Now anyone reading this will definitely think I planned that both times or that maybe I'm an LLM. Because no one writes like that. Fuck.

E-Reverance an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They admitted to it, with a pic of their original draft https://xcancel.com/PlumbNick/status/2016666185949962309#m

0xbadcafebee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's strange when upper-middle-class workers finally realize what life has been like for lower-class workers for 40 years

andai 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, it looks to me like the best time to be a business owner, and the worst time to be employed.

allknowingfrog 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Americans pay a pretty hefty health insurance penalty when they leave steady employment to start their own business. There have definitely been better times to be an entrepreneur in this country.

kg 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Finding investment is harder than usual in this current economic climate, too. At least in some industries like mine.

Imustaskforhelp 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Finding investment is harder than usual in this current economic climate, too. At least in some industries like mine.

If I may ask, what industry are you referring to?

Imustaskforhelp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Europe/ (Anecdotally India, I have seen some good health insurances for what 50$ here?) might have a better time for being business owners as well.

One of the issues in these countries is usually Funding. I am unable to understand how people get money to fund the projects & have people be willing to pay when there are alternatives which will cut you down as well probably burning through their funding in the first place.

Suppose, I want to create a cloud provider, A) ownership costs went up due to ramflation, B) there are now services which are using VC money which will burn insane amount of money to give users for free.

As a person without VC money or without wishing to seek VC money to simply burn it, (I personally much much prefer seedstrapping and bootstraping), the idea of business ownership becomes difficult as well.

Plus don't forget the fact that the idea of getting a customer becomes hard in the first place given how organic mediums are being overwhelmed (like Show HN etc.) and personally the idea of marketing doesn't really click with me of things like paying for this as if its a rent to the overlords like google and facebook smh but I guess if someone's a business owner, they might be forced to play this game.

bix6 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s hard to be a small business right now. Everything is dominated by a few who have massive resource advantages.

elteto 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A pro-labor republican that worked on global AI enablement. So many contradictions that they almost cancel all out!

i_love_retros 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was the X poster saying in a very long winded way that his job was taken and lots of our jobs will be taken by foreigners who cost less?

snafferty 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, and he is running for office on an anti-immigration platform, so I'd take anything he posts with a heap of salt.

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heresie-dabord 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> if you’re expensive because you’re good at what you do, the system eventually “optimizes” you out.

This is how layoffs have always worked. The pretext changes.

Der_Einzige an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That comment he wrote was written with AI :)

Havoc 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>>This is a rules problem

Oh no, it's much worse. It's a global market working efficiently problem.

Bad news for jobs that can flow over the intertubes...

getnormality 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> experience isn’t an asset, it’s a liability

Weirdly impressive. This guy just invented galaxy-brained AI slop.

thinkingtoilet 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder what a few years of this mentality will do. Greed is never reasonable. This will have consequences.