>Keep in mind that ICE is executing a law

What i saw on video is ICE executing 2 American citizens. The existing law already prohibits that, so what changes you're talking about?

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db48x 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I am talking about 8 USC chapter 12 subsection II (<https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/chapter-12>). This is the law that defines how immigration works in the US, and how illegal aliens are removed. ICE is the Federal agency assigned to the task of locating and removing illegal aliens. Even if you don’t like that illegal aliens are being removed, it is illegal to try to prevent a federal agent from doing just that. Instead you should be trying to change the law so that the job doesn’t exist.

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trhway 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why change? I've just randomly clicked through, and it is a good law, for example :

(1) Right of counsel The alien shall have a right to be present at such hearing and to be represented by counsel. Any alien financially unable to obtain counsel shall be entitled to have counsel assigned to represent the alien. Such counsel shall be appointed by the judge pursuant to the plan for furnishing representation for any person financially unable to obtain adequate representation for the district in which the hearing is conducted, as provided for in section 3006A of title 18.

When you're saying that ICE is executing that law, are you saying that the guys sent to that Guatemala prison were afforded that right of counsel and were given a lawyer? Or anybody else in those mass deportations.

I also couldn't find in that law where it makes it legal to randomly catch dark skinned people on the street, including citizens.

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epistasis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are two conceptions of law currently in the US. The first is what we see on TV, with lawyers and judges and law enforcement attempting, most often successfully, to apply a set of rules to everyone equally.

The second conception of law is what the federal government is doing now: oppression of opponents of the powerful, and protection of the powerful from any harm they cause to others.

We are currently in a battle to see which side wins. In many ways the struggle of the US, as it has become more free, is a struggle for the first conception to win over the second. When we had the Civil War, the first conception of law won. I hope it wins again.

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zahlman 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The extraditions are of people who have already had a hearing and are subject to a final order of removal.

	▲	trhway 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		That is just simply not true as was illustrated by many stories in the news. What final order of removal were for example the US citizens picked by ICE subject to?

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8note 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

which part of the immigration code lets ice agents kill citizens?

	▲	zahlman 21 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Self-defense law, specifically as applies to LEO, which ICE are.