> In every state of the US (and most countries), people disobeying law enforcement will die. If you want to live, you comply, and you fight in court.

This is one of the worst takes I have ever seen, to the point that you must just be trolling.

Disobeying law enforcement is not a death sentence. It is often not even illegal. Just because LEO shouts "I am giving you a lawful order" does not in fact make it a lawful order. And this certainly is not happening in most other countries.

The desire to be part of the Trump Tribe has made people forget what actually made America great.

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sejje 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it's not a lawful order, you fight that in court. It's almost a free pass to get out of whatever you did.

But what she was given was a lawful order. That's the one I'm talking about.

I'm not a trump voter.

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mekdoonggi 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How did you determine "what she was given was a lawful order" without a trial?

	▲	sejje 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Because I have at least a bare minimum understanding of what a lawful command is. Law enforcement can order you out of your vehicle, and you must comply.

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UncleMeat 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you show me how specifically you fight it in court when the person abusing you is a federal officer? Bivens is basically dead.

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sejje 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, you can see the alternative. Get shot in the street and get a lot of twitter posts.

	▲	UncleMeat 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If the claim is that you can fight it in court then I want to know how you'd do that. Because from where I sit there are mountains of procedural barriers to actually doing this. A lot of people assume that you can just get some remedy in court, but this is often not true. When an ICE agent shot and killed a kid their Bivens claim was still denied. "Just go to court to solve it is not serious.

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crawfordcomeaux 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Enslavement, genocide, domination, and extraction made it great. For those who forgot.

What we're watching is the collapse of such an unsustainable approach.