If it's not a lawful order, you fight that in court. It's almost a free pass to get out of whatever you did.

But what she was given was a lawful order. That's the one I'm talking about.

I'm not a trump voter.

How did you determine "what she was given was a lawful order" without a trial?

	▲	sejje 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Because I have at least a bare minimum understanding of what a lawful command is. Law enforcement can order you out of your vehicle, and you must comply.

UncleMeat 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you show me how specifically you fight it in court when the person abusing you is a federal officer? Bivens is basically dead.

Well, you can see the alternative. Get shot in the street and get a lot of twitter posts.

	▲	UncleMeat 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If the claim is that you can fight it in court then I want to know how you'd do that. Because from where I sit there are mountains of procedural barriers to actually doing this. A lot of people assume that you can just get some remedy in court, but this is often not true. When an ICE agent shot and killed a kid their Bivens claim was still denied. "Just go to court to solve it is not serious.