| ▲ | xswhiskey 7 hours ago |
| How can a company this big fail so hard in what one would consider their main* product still baffles me. *Yes, they probably make more revenue in Azure or Office365 licenses but at least when I think “Microsoft” I immediately think Windows. |
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| ▲ | Akronymus 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because they no longer see windows as anything more than a delivery platform for their subscription services, IMO |
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| ▲ | mossTechnician 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're entirely right, but they need to maintain Windows in order to promote those services. The OS and their various applications have a symbiotic relationship where they prioritize each other. If Microsoft discontinued Windows and switched to just providing web apps, the competition would be a lot stiffer. | | |
| ▲ | Akronymus 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | "maintain" meaning keeping it somewhat workable or actually improving it? ATM windows still has enough of a moat that they can comfortably do the former. | | |
| ▲ | mossTechnician 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I believe Microsoft can skate for a long time with just bug fixes and security updates. It makes the drop in Windows' quality all the more baffling. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | True but it is still their moat. Without windows they will lose a lot of appeal to their cloud products like Intune, Azure AD, M365 etc |
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| ▲ | pjc50 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's no realistic competition because the amount of work to switch your OS ecosystem, especially for businesses, is huge. So the product doesn't have to be good, you can just slam ads in the Start menu or whatever. |
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| ▲ | yuters 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | At one point the product is getting so bad that the cost of switching becomes a real consideration. It seems that every other year I hear about businesses and governments making the move. | |
| ▲ | spogbiper 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The business version of Windows doesn't have ads in the start menu. That's the consumer/home version. The "Pro" flavors of Windows are quite a bit more pleasant and I don't think there is any downside even on a home computer. |
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| ▲ | eviks 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why does it matter (from the company's ability to fail perspective) what you immediately think of? (yeah, Windows isn't their main product, quick search says it's 10% revenue vs 40% for servers, 22% office, and 9% gaming, so wouldn't that decline be relevant in explaining why it's neglected and fail?) |
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| ▲ | OkayPhysicist 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Windows for personal computers and Office are the only products that make Microsoft relevant. No one on god's green earth is choosing Windows Server on its own merits: They're picking it for software compatibility reasons stemming from software being written on, and exclusively targeting, Windows Desktop. Hell, most of the office suite is chosen because it's easier to buy more stuff from somebody you're already buying stuff from than to find someone new. No one has ever chosen Teams as the best product in its space. Very few products Microsoft sells would be worth buying by themselves. They exclusively make mediocre products that are merely the default choice once you've been hoodwinked into buying into Windows or XBOX. If the break Windows, all the money disappears. | | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Windows server compared to any linux server os is extraordinarily inferior in every regard except for the AD Domain services interface, which is a leftover from probably Windows NT that they haven't screwed with in the interim so it still functions. |
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| ▲ | ThunderSizzle 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you aren't running Windows, you probably aren't using Office. Half the reason for Office is Exchange, and half the reason is the integration of Exchange with Active Directory. Without any of that, does Office make sense anymore compared to something like GSuite? | | |
| ▲ | jimnotgym 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Correct. IT departments want Active Directory. Create a user, apportion a 365 licence and boom, they have email, Teams, OneDrive etc. Add them to some groups and they have all the files they need. Excel is better than Sheets in ways which are important for 0.01% of users, but that is all. | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think Excel is better in Sheets in ways that are important for a lot more users, but it isn’t the same ways for each user. | | |
| ▲ | jimnotgym 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also, which I should have said, is for that small group, the missing Sheets features are a show-stopper, not just an annoyance |
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| ▲ | stackskipton 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yea. Even if you are all MacOS shop, Office has Desktop Applications that run on MacOS. I find so many companies that use GSuite still buy Office licenses for select employees. There is plenty of places that will just go all in 365 for that reason alone. | |
| ▲ | eviks 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok, so it's an important dependency, but the fact that it's a small product line can still explain the neglect. For example, is it baffling that companies don't invest time/money in open source libraries they use even though those might be important for their main products? |
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| ▲ | direwolf20 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because they know everyone who's still using Windows has no choices to switch to. They won't use Linux or Mac. |
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| ▲ | BizarroLand 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, they have choices, but many people just want to turn on their computer, watch a few videos, read some emails, pay some bills and then go do something else. Those people won't fuss with installing linux and getting rid of Microsoft even though Windows is doing nothing for them that Linux cannot do just as easily. If there are people in your life that do not use computers to make money or play video games or edit photos and videos but they do use computers, swap them to linux and let them get on with their lives. | | |
| ▲ | direwolf20 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Those people don't even have Windows–compatible computers. They have phones and tablets. |
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| ▲ | Rohansi 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I always see articles like this and have never had it happen to me. It's definitely something that affects specific hardware and/or software combinations instead of just poor QA. |
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| ▲ | bell-cot 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ask anyone who was a power user of dBase or Lotus 1-2-3 back in the '80's. |
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| ▲ | gonzo41 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was thinking about this very thing today. Personally, I see the Windows OS as a core competency of Microsoft. If the OS is bad, then the company is being run badly. In the same as when you go to a fine restaurant and the kitchen have the polished pots and pans you can see, generally things are going to be great. Its the attention to detail, If those small details are right, then the whole meal will be good. And currently the whole meal is crap with windows. |
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| ▲ | lloydatkinson 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Realistically it's because a good chunk of their work is outsourced abroad who then in turn outsource their thinking to ChatGPT. |