| ▲ | helloguillecl 11 hours ago |
| Airtag is the reason of why I stil have my favourite hand luggage. I had just sat down on the train from Zurich to Basel. Suddenly, someone sat down in front of me. He looked suspicious, but I didn't pay much attention. Just before the train departed, he picked up what I thought were his belongings and left. Twenty minutes later, already on the way to Basel, I looked toward where I had left my suitcase. It was gone. That was when I realized that the person who had sat in front of me was a thief. However, he hadn't counted on the fact that I have an AirTag in every backpack and suitcase. So I was able to see where the thief was and where he was moving. I considered going to retrieve my suitcase myself, but while traveling back to Zurich, I called the Zurich Police and, as the thief kept moving, I told them where he was. Twenty minutes later I received a call from the police informing me that they had found my suitcase with my belongings, matching the description I had given. But also the thief and his accomplice. |
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| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I need to applaud the efficiency and moxie of the Zurich / Swiss police service. In America, the UK, Canada, etc they'd tell you to fill out a report that nobody would ever read, and also advise you it's probably unsafe to go pick it up yourself. |
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| ▲ | rangestransform 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There’s a pervasive belief in the anglosphere west that unfortunate people ought to be able to commit any property crime with impunity | | |
| ▲ | GoatInGrey 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I believe there to be some merit to the notion that it is better for society if many of the generational cycles which lead to crime are broken. Sometimes that involves off-ramps from the road to incarceration. That said, the policy can be, and certainly is, applied in imbalanced ways when justice is pursued over pragmatism. | |
| ▲ | nirvdrum 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My experience with small police departments in the US is that they either don’t have the time or the inclination to deal with small property claims. If you’re a business they’ll be there in 10 minutes, but individuals aren’t afforded the same courtesy. Eventually, citizens realize it’s just not worth the cost or the hassle to report a crime unless it helps with an insurance claim. | |
| ▲ | fuzzer371 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That belief is not shared by law enforcement. But all the same, they'll refuse to help you anyway. |
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| ▲ | teoruiz 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Back in 2011 (!) I went to a wedding in Denia, a medium-sized town on the Mediterranean coast of Spain. The day after the wedding we went to a restaurant by the sea to have some hangover paella, part of the wedding celebrations. Weddings in Spain are usually 2 or 3 day affairs.
Anyway, since we were travelling back to Madrid later that day we left our luggage in the trunk of the car, not visible from the outside. We locked the doors and off for paella. Or so we thought: some bad guys were jamming the car key frequencies so the car didn’t actually lock. They hit jackpot with my bag: my Canon IXUS camera (I loved that camera), my Kindle 3G, my MacBook Pro and my iPad… with 3G. When we found out later that day we went to the local Guardia Civil and told them the story. I opened “Find My” on my phone and told them exactly where the bad guys were, all the way in Valencia already. You should have seen the face of the two-days-shy-from-retiring officer when I told him that my iPad was connected to the internet and broadcasting its location continuously. Remember this was 2011. So they sent a police car to check out the area and found a suspiciously hot car. They noted it down and did some old-fashioned policing the rest of the summer. Two months later I got a call: they had found them and waited on them to continue stealing using the same MO, until they had a large enough stash that they could be charged with a worse crime. They had found my bag, my MacBook and my iPad. The smaller items had already been sold on the black market. It still is one of my favourite hacker stories. I went to court as a witness and retold the whole thing. The look on the judge’s face was also priceless. |
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| ▲ | reaperducer 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Similar story for me. Except in Rome, and the ending wasn't happy because all I could do is watch my wife's iPhone go to Tunisia where it disappeared. Still, in those very early days of "Find my" I could see how this was going to eventually change things. | | |
| ▲ | Der_Einzige 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The one thing I like about the USA's significantly more violent culture is the idea that pickpockets will get the shit beat out of them or worse. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | This is a myth. The police will usually arrest the victim and the the criminal go because it's easier for them. |
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| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thankfully you were in Switzerland rather than the states, I just never see American police caring about that. |
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| ▲ | ifwinterco 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Switzerland is the Singapore of Europe (I mean this in a good way!) - the state just functions in a way that other European countries can only dream of | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I spent a couple of years in Lausanne so am aware. Swiss police don't mess around, you need to follow the rules if you want to live there. |
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| ▲ | plingamp 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My car got broken into in Oakland, California. Multiple pieces of luggage stolen (yes, my fault for leaving it in the car in the first place). Luckily I had an AirTag that showed the exact location of the stolen items. I called the police but they said they couldn't do anything. Apparently, even if I had the location the thief would have to invite them in. Regardless, I was put on a waiting list, they finally called me back 3 days later. I promptly left the state a few months later. | | |
| ▲ | ahmeneeroe-v2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not your fault for leaving your property in your car. Wild to say that. | | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Lived in the Bay Area for over two decades. Yeah, leaving a visible item in your car is just bait for the smash-and-grab crowd. It sucks but once you know it, it would be like thinking you can just leave your wallet sitting on a counter. | | |
| ▲ | aikinai 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You can also do that in high-functioning societies. In Japan people leave their purses, phones, etc to hold their seat before ordering in a café, going to the bathroom, etc. |
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| ▲ | ghaff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Outside of some bad areas of some cities, in New England leaving property in cars is perfectly normal. | |
| ▲ | jasonfarnon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | not "fault" in the sense of legal or ethical blame, but "fault" in the sense of stupid vs. smart thing to do | | |
| ▲ | thih9 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | But it’s not a stupid thing to do either - if anything, normalizing crime sounds not optimal. |
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| ▲ | renewiltord 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I imagine they see it the way I do: the SF Bay Area has thieves like this because it's part of local native culture. You get the good with the bad. Sort of like going to the elephant graveyard and being eaten by hyena pack. Sure, it's not your fault for walking around graveyard and getting eaten by hyena. But this is where hyena is. I have lost (and sometimes recovered) many items to these hyena. Ultimately, they are not people or anything. They're like hyena. You don't say it is fault of hyena. It is animal and local culture is animal lover. Why stress about it? Like many, GP decided that he leave hyena here and go elsewhere where it is people and not animal. | | |
| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | But the thieves actually are people, not "wildlife". And there is no reason to tolerate this kind of quality-of-life crime. Nobody is better off for it. | |
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| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I generally believe it is not a crime victim's fault for being a victim of a crime, and the police services need to stop saying things that perpetrate this mindset. | |
| ▲ | gruez 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >Apparently, even if I had the location the thief would have to invite them in. I mean, isn't that good? 4th amendment, warrants from a judge, and all that. | | |
| ▲ | cbolton 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Presumably they could easily get a warrant with that information, if they cared to ask. | | |
| ▲ | jasonfarnon an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I guess the question would be how easy it is to fake this evidence. I don't know this tech. Could I throw my airtags in someone's bag and just take that to the police station and say look here on my phone, that's where my bags are, and then it's a he said/she said? Then the airtags aren't really adding anything to just your word "they took my bag". | |
| ▲ | trillic 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Victim meets with police, signs affidavit, prosecutor goes to judge with affidavit, warrant written specifically for those items only. Should be simple and even digital if we wanted it to be. |
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| ▲ | insane_dreamer 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | SllX 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t deal with Oakland Police specifically but Oakland itself is a sanctuary city. | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Local police are never supposed to deal with immigration issues anyways, it isn't in their jurisdiction and they would have to call feds in to deal with anything related to it. Generally, a city is called a sanctuary city if they don't honor hold orders on detainees from customs and immigration, it has nothing to do with police not enforcing immigration rules, which they can't do either way. | |
| ▲ | insane_dreamer 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Right. Plus local police don't have jurisdiction over immigration issues. My comment was more a reflection on how the gov generally is, sadly (and horrifically in Minneapolis etc), much more responsive to undocumented cases than actual crimes. | | |
| ▲ | SllX 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure, but different agency under a different government (Feds, not City of Oakland). Oakland PD has their own bad reputation to live down to, let’s not commingle them. | | |
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| ▲ | jules an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was robbed at a gas station in Jersey City and the police retrieved the airtagged backpack in 20 minutes. The police was fantastic. | |
| ▲ | spike021 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Unrelated to airtags but last year a couple wheels were stolen off my brand new car. My city in California falls under county sheriff jurisdiction and they actually assigned a detective to the case. Sadly even once he got the subpoena and other paperwork to track down the criminals through Facebook (they had listed my wheels two weeks later on Marketplace) he couldn't find them since they were using VPNs. | |
| ▲ | alexjplant 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends on the jurisdiction. One time I was driving down a twoo-lane road with a police car a few hundred feet behind me. An oncoming pickup truck veered several feet over the center line and almost hit me. I flagged the police down to tell them and they were nonplussed even though they literally saw it happen. Drunk driving, a greater threat than property theft, was of little consequence to them. On the other side of the country my motorcycle got stolen and the police found it the next day. I picked it up from the tow yard shortly thereafter. YMMV. | | | |
| ▲ | metadat 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The police in Spain will also not care, in my experience. They acted completely helpless regardless of how much information I gave them. My solution now is to travel very light. |
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| ▲ | pkulak an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My local police would literally laugh at me if I made that call. |
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| ▲ | ghaff 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I do use airtags for this purpose. I also expect (and I read) that most police departments won't pay the slightest bit of attention to your reports. |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > most police departments won't pay the slightest bit of attention to your reports Its sort of a combination of two reasons. First in many cities, police departments are underfunded. And so running around looking for your stolen phone or whatever minor item is low on their to-do list compared to say, stopping the local drug-gangs from shooting their brains out. Second, for minor thefts most insurance companies just need a quick box-tick "police crime report number" before paying out. So if the police know they can get you off their backs just by quickly giving you a report number, well.... | | |
| ▲ | Schmerika 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > compared to say, stopping the local drug-gangs from shoting their brains out I'm guessing people have that impression from TV, but it doesn't seem to match reality. > the data suggests that officers spend relatively little time responding to major violent crimes: 4%, 3.7% and 4.1% in the three locations, respectively. - https://www.freethink.com/society/how-police-spend-their-tim... | | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which raises the obvious question: If they're not responding to either violent crimes or nonviolent crimes, what are they doing all day? | | |
| ▲ | jq-r 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Just like that excellent Yes Minister episode about hospitals - I imagine they have more then enough internal busywork so they have no time for their customers. Which the older am I the more this seems true. | |
| ▲ | justin66 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Donuts don't just eat themselves. | |
| ▲ | b00ty4breakfast an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | administration; paperwork et al. Don't you just like the modern technical bureaucratic apparatus? | |
| ▲ | reaperducer 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If they're not responding to either violent crimes or nonviolent crimes, what are they doing all day? According to a police administrator I once knew, filling out all the endless paperwork that makes the studies possible so people can complain about what little time cops spend fighting crime. |
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| ▲ | ghaff 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And it's probably under your deductible anyway. And replacing various cards is your deal with your credit card etc. companies. Relatively few of us carry around a lot of cash. |
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| ▲ | piperswe 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I also know from experience that Zurich police will chase an AirTag location with vigor. | | | |
| ▲ | seanmcdirmid 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Switzerland sends in swat for noise complaints, they would definitely care about a thief that could be caught. | | |
| ▲ | kshacker 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it all over or just some parts of the countries? I ask, amused, since I have never been there except a 2 day trip to Geneva in 1992 or so. | | |
| ▲ | jules-jules 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Some Kantons are more easy going than others but overall the police are not to fuck around with. |
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| ▲ | ehsankia 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's awesome. I'm glad that trackers have reached a price point, reliability and form factors that I can easily put one in everything I care about. I even have card ones in my wallet, my steam deck / e-reader case, etc. Also, most of these have usb-c / wireless charging, so I don't have to mess with random cell batteries every 6 months. |
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| ▲ | lxgr 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Given that the battery in my Airtag lasts about a year, I'd rather have to exchange a CR2032 once per year than to buy a new tracker whenever the built-in rechargeable battery inevitably dies. (I think there are actually rechargeable CR2032s too – best of both worlds?) | | |
| ▲ | trollbridge an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are, and I got cursed with a BMW that uses one of them. Eventually after 10+ years it finally dies, and it's basically impossible to replace and actually make it work again, so I just have to replace the 2032 in it every few months. |
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| ▲ | varispeed 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I called the Zurich Police and, as the thief kept moving, I told them where he was. Twenty minutes later I received a call from the police informing me that they had found my suitcase with my belongings, matching the description I had given. So refreshing to hear. Here in the UK the police would be annoyed by your call and at best would give you crime ref number (usually after mentioning that you will file a complaint if they don't) to take up with your insurance provider. |
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| ▲ | robertwt7 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | yeah this should be the standard, same here in Australia unfortunately the police will just pretend to care by taking more information and then does nothing. | |
| ▲ | jeffbee 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I had a camera stolen on a Zürich streetcar and when I reported it to the police they acted like it was the first crime that had ever been reported in the canton, a very serious matter indeed. |
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| ▲ | dostick 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did you tell them that you have a particular set of… tags? |
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