I am not sure what conclusion can we draw from, as you said, two very rare incidents over a long period of time.

Reminds me of when Malaysian airlines crashed two planes in a short period of time. It was a good time to get cheap flights from Europe to south east Asia as long as you can withstand relatives thinking you are literally going to die in their third crash.

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Freak_NL 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Bit of an odd comparison, given that one of those flights (MH17) was shot down by a Russian Buk squad. That was not an issue attributable to the carrier in any way, and after the incident the likelihood of it happening again to Malaysia Airlines specifically was negligible.

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pibaker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It could be prevented by simply not flying over an active war zone, something airlines do all the times to prevent the exact same thing from happening.

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wafflemaker 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or Girkin not ordering the civilian plane full of people to be shot down. It was a civilian plane at 10km altitude with a transponder on. Really doesn't look like a jet on a radar.

And up to that point Russia wasn't known to supply the separatists with an anti air system and the crew to run it.

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aunty_helen 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doesn’t look like a F14 either but a US warship, rather than some guys in a field, still managed to pull that off and send 290 people to their graves.

	▲	LorenPechtel 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But it did look like an F-14. There really was an F-14, just on the ground at an Iranian airbase. And the Vincennes was under armed attack at the time--Iran let a civilian jetliner overfly their own attack. Plenty of blame for them, also.

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peyton 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It would seem the air defense systems used could not reliably determine what you imply they should [1][2]. I’m not sure where you’re coming from, or why it would matter what one country was known or not known to do.

[1]: https://www.technologyreview.com/2014/07/18/12951/how-can-a-...

[2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/07/18...

	▲	lostlogin 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> why it would matter what one country was known or not known to do. It absolutely matters. Flying over a war zone with known anti aircraft missiles is quite different to flying over a low level conflict that is using small arms only.

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jojomodding 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Airlines started being more sensitive to this after the 2014 crash

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tyre an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

And the other one was, as far as I remember, likely deliberate based on the pilot’s flight simulation data.