Or Girkin not ordering the civilian plane full of people to be shot down. It was a civilian plane at 10km altitude with a transponder on. Really doesn't look like a jet on a radar.

And up to that point Russia wasn't known to supply the separatists with an anti air system and the crew to run it.

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aunty_helen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doesn’t look like a F14 either but a US warship, rather than some guys in a field, still managed to pull that off and send 290 people to their graves.

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LorenPechtel 3 hours ago | parent [-]

But it did look like an F-14. There really was an F-14, just on the ground at an Iranian airbase. And the Vincennes was under armed attack at the time--Iran let a civilian jetliner overfly their own attack. Plenty of blame for them, also.

	▲	digitalPhonix an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> But it did look like an F-14 It absolutely did not. The RCS of an F-14 v/s an Airbus A300 is an order of magnitude different (probably 2 or 3 orders). > There really was an F-14, just on the ground at an Iranian airbase There was, but that’s a red herring for the root cause. Each ship’s radar independently and correctly identified and tracked the Airbus separate from the Mode 2 targets, but when communicating the track information between ships, the tracks were mixed up. Source: The US Navy’s own account: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/about-us/l... > There was a combat camera team aboard the Vincennes, and the footage depicts considerable confusion and even ill-discipline amongst the crew (cheering, shouting, football game atmosphere) that contributed to one of the most tragic events in U.S. Navy history

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peyton 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It would seem the air defense systems used could not reliably determine what you imply they should [1][2]. I’m not sure where you’re coming from, or why it would matter what one country was known or not known to do.

[1]: https://www.technologyreview.com/2014/07/18/12951/how-can-a-...

[2]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2014/07/18...

	▲	lostlogin 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> why it would matter what one country was known or not known to do. It absolutely matters. Flying over a war zone with known anti aircraft missiles is quite different to flying over a low level conflict that is using small arms only.