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onli 6 hours ago

I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in no way better. What else is there, where is the advantage?

Also, while the Play store is an equally ad-riddled and unsearchable hellhole, at least Android does have with F-Droid a high quality alternative. iOS has nothing.

But sure, removing the F-Droid advantage can only hurt Android, the direction of your comment still stands.

clickety_clack an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I switched from Android to iPhone last year, and this just isn’t true. There’s so many tiny issues with android apps that just don’t exist on iPhone, because the android apps have to work on all these different devices. You don’t even have to look for the kinds of apps you’re talking about because things like Safari and Apple Podcasts work really well. I know people have a lot of complaints, but things on the iPhone really do “just work”.

HPsquared 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

iOS is great if you only want the parts that "just work" and don't need any of the things Android has that "just don't work" on iOS.

hulitu 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but things on the iPhone really do “just work”.

For values of “just work” close to 0.

Make a picture, connect with a Windows PC, iOS needs a password, then the picture is not visible to the PC, disconnect, go with Apple photos to look at the picture, repeat connecting, with password, now it is visible.

Try to set up a hotspot, there is no button to turn the hotspot on/off.

So yes, it “just works"

vladvasiliu 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Try to set up a hotspot, there is no button to turn the hotspot on/off.

There is. You can even put it on the settings drawer. Look for "personal hotspot".

I don't have a mac anymore, but IIRC you could even turn it on from the paired mac. This definitely still works between iphones. When I take out my old iphone from the drawer to use as a GPS on my bike, with no sim card, it will connect to my regular iphone's hotspot automatically.

mexicocitinluez 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> because things like Safari ...work really well

Are we living in the same universe? We manage a fleet of tablets (both Apple and Android) for a healthcare company whose EMR is web-based. And because of that Sarafi has made our lives miserable. So much so that we're migrating to Chromebooks.

I've been developing for the web for 15 years. The first half was spent battling Internet Explorer. Now it's Safari.

clickety_clack 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

I’m a developer too, but the developer experience doesn’t matter to users. As a user of the app, it’s fast enough, cleanly designed, seems to be reasonably private and secure, and I haven’t hit any website with it where I’ve had to download chrome to view it or something.

KolmogorovComp 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in no way better. What else is there, where is the advantage?

This is incorrect. The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly.

Sure the best way would be for people not to use them, but if you "have" to, then it's better to use those on IOS.

fruitworks 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In what manner do they extract less data

fc417fc802 an hour ago | parent [-]

Unless you're running Graphene or a similar security minded distro the sandboxing isn't very good. Okay let's be honest it's fairly abysmal at preventing fingerprinting. It could almost be accused of not even bothering to try.

But one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43518866

water-data-dude 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

The mobile operating system developed by the enormous ad tech company doesn't try to prevent fingerprinting?! :O

myko an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with the thrust of the GP comment but:

> The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly.

I seriously doubt this. I agree that this is the perception but anyone working in the mobile space on both platforms for the past ~2 years will know Google is a lot more hard nosed in reviewing apps for privacy concerns than Apple these days (I say this negatively, there is a middle ground and Apple is much closer to it - Google is just friction seemingly in an attempt to lose their bad reputation).

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beepbooptheory 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You'd think this would be more known! I feel like general sentiment says the opposite is the case.. What can one point to in the future to show what you are saying here?

swiftcoder 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In which category are there better iOS apps?

Almost all of the prosumer apps on iOS offer a consistently better experience. This is maybe less relevant on phones than on tablets, but music production, video editing, digital painting and drafting, etc...

hulitu 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Almost all of the prosumer apps on iOS offer a consistently better experience

So for people who don't want to use computers. I cannot work with a tablet or phone. I need a computer.

Derbasti 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Camera apps.

Everything else I agree with, but the Android camera APIs do not allow developers to build good device independent camera apps the way they are available on iOS.

ErikBjare 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair to Android, iOS isn't offering "good device independent camera apps" either, you only have ~one choice of device with iOS.

elzbardico 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Probably the use of "device independent" had other meaning than the usual.

synergy20 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

first time hear this, any more specifics? i used android to develop video conference software and don't recall camera limits

lgeek an hour ago | parent [-]

I'm only familiar with this as a user and not a developer, but I've had multiple Android phone where not all camera features available in the Camera app were available to other apps via the APIs:

* not all cameras being available

* stabilisation not working

* 60 FPS unavailable

jorvi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For one, I can actually use gesture controls without constantly triggering backswipes. Even something as droll and first party as Google Photos suffers this problem, where, say, cropping a photo and pulling too close from the screen edge will result in a backswipe detection instead.

Another example is Sonos, where the iOS app contains TruePlay to tune your speakers. They can do this because there is relatively few iPhone models (microphones). But this is a general, noticeable trend, where developers will add more / better / polished features to the iOS app.

zjaffee 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The iOS version of most social media apps is better. IOS simply has better API integration to it's hardware, where with android, many OEMs (hell this was even the case to a certain extent with older pixel phones), do a number of things that make the hardware not as easily accessible as quickly from the OS API for said feature.

This is especially relevant for the camera, but also various other sensors and hardware modules that exist inside these phones.

That said, in recent years there are just a number of other areas that android is much better at such as deeper AI integration, which goes back to even prior to the current LLM craze.

direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What are those things?

manuelabeledo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The iOS YouTube app is not worse than the one in Android. Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least, there is one more app to choose (Messages). And I’m curious to know what makes Antenna Pod so much better than the thousands of other podcast apps out there.

Social media apps have historically been worse in Android, because of lax app and privacy controls.

> What else is there, where is the advantage?

Personally, I’d rather not have Google buried deep inside all aspects of my phone.

embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least

Since some updates ago, my keyboard is still broken if I type too fast, and autocorrect been essentially broken for the same amount of time. Must be happening for ~years now, still waiting for a new update to finally fix it.

At least on Android you can change the keyboard to something else if you'd like, instead of being stuck with what your OS developer forces on you. Wish I had that option now.

manuelabeledo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hasn’t happened to me, but I guess that you could always install a third party keyboard. Both Microsoft and Google have offerings in the App Store.

BlaDeKke an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The keyboard can be changed in iOS.

mexicocitinluez 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Personally, I’d rather not have Google buried deep inside all aspects of my phone.

I mean, one could say the exact same thing but swapping Google with Apple.

manuelabeledo 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Google core business is ads. It is not the same.

FrequentLurker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

iOS has less device models to target for. This makes it easier to support and deliver a more consistent experience, especially for gaming. I have also heard a few other points back in the day, but I am not sure how true they are now. One is that some social media apps might offer better quality in app camera experience. Another is that iOS userbase is more willing to spend money so devs are more likely to target iOS.

SomeHacker44 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Foreflight is iOS only. There is nothing even a third as good on Android. I literally have a one app iPad just for this. Sigh.

avcloudy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a really ideology driven push. I don't think you really think the iOS browsers are worse, there's just less choice, because they all fundamentally use WebKit. Having to use Chromium is a worse experience, and not being able to use Gecko under Firefox is not a clear upgrade - particularly as WebKit is so tightly integrated with the hardware, leading to less battery use. If you really don't like WebKit for whatever reason, I get it. But that's not worse.

Whenever there is an app with full feature parity (WhatsApp) you assume at best it can be equal, based on nothing. You have specific apps that work for you, and that's great, but my practical experience is much different: whenever I haven't had a choice in an app (think banking apps, carrier apps, local library apps, the Covid apps) the experience has been much better on Apple. Whenever there is a choice in apps, they're often cross-written in something that allows easy porting, and very similar, or the native Apple solution is much smoother. It's rare that an app just feels better on Android, and usually limited to cases where a specific app is only available on Android or, you know, Google.

fruitworks 2 hours ago | parent [-]

no ublock

How can whatsapp be better? Android at least has features like scoped storage.

Where is the ios equivalent of newpipe? Where is the iOS equivalent of pojavlauncher? where is the iOS equivalent of libretorrent or syncthing?

Open source is essentially banned on iOS.

What is the advantage of iOS? "Feels smoother"? Totally subjective.

avcloudy an hour ago | parent [-]

Safari just got uBlock back!

iOS isn't particularly open source friendly, but mostly people don't do it because of personal incentives, not because it can't be done.

It's subjective, and I get that, but what you miss is that features are subjective too. Missing parity apps are only relevant when you care about that feature; at no point in my life have I ever thought my life would be better or more convenient if I could only torrent on my phone.

But having an app that is responsive and works well has made my life better. Standing outside a bar in the rain trying to get a stupid Covid app to work, not work well, just work, on Android has made my life worse.

(Ironically, I've kind of noticed this is part of the Unix ethos writ small: do one thing and do it well. It's not exact, and iOS for sure has tons of crud everything apps. And they sure don't work together! I just think it's amusing.)

sghiassy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The YouTube app on iOS is superior to the Android app for one

anymouse123456 an hour ago | parent [-]

This used to be true, but really is not anymore.

onli an hour ago | parent [-]

Also, I wasn't aiming at the official Youtube app, but at PipePipe etc. The great alternative Youtube clients Android has.

theshackleford 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I assume worse

You know what they say about assuming.

bloqs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

sorry this is not correct. (do you consistently use both?) iOS apps are consistently better, because people prefer using swift

Devorlon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

As an Android power user (I’ve ran Lineage, Graphene, rooted with Magisk and passed safetynet) that’s moved to IOS this last month. My subjective opinion: app quality is the same.

microtonal 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I have both an iPhone and an Android phone and I agree. The largest chunk of apps are the same anyway, using something like React Native or Ionic.

karlgkk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly, you’re so wrong about the app situation that it’s almost staggering. iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished, have better integration with system features (like the Dynamic Island), and even often have more features. This isn’t even an unfounded opinion, it’s a material problem for Google and led them to vastly investing in automated testing and quality efforts

App addressable user base is another problem for Google, one that they have mentioned in developer conferences. It’s a big part of why they’ve been trying to ship a tablet and unify android and Chromebook. If Google isn’t careful they could find themselves in a downward spiral situation, stuck between apple on one side, and android forks on the other.

And the last answer is, as always, money

- browser is deemphasized on iOS, and so it’s weaker feature set matters less

- iOS is generally easier to develop for because of less device differentiation

- on average iOS has significantly wealthier users who tend to be higher return or paying customers (seriously, look it up). This in turn leads companies to invest more heavily in iOS.

- easier integration due to a narrow system services ecosystem (no Google vs Samsung slapfights)

- unified platform advantage (apps written for iOS easily port to the watch and tablet, unlocking larger markets, and justifying greater spend in developing apps)

- apples review process is significantly stricter (for better or for worse)

Yes, Apple doesn’t have something like fdroid, and that’s really disappointing and honestly a legitimate dealbreaker for a lot of people

ben_w 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished

It's been a while since I was last using Android, but first-party Apple apps no longer meet my standards for "polished".

e.g. type this sequence into the calculator:

  [2] [-] [4] [=] [x²] [=]
The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4".

The desktop Contacts app has been putting invisible LTR and RTL codes around phone numbers for years now, breaking web forms when auto-entered. The mobile version refreshes specific contacts several times in a row to add no new content, preventing copy from working while it does so.

The MacOS Safari translation button appears on the left of the omni-bar, until you click it, at which point it instantly moves to the right and your click turns out to have been on the button that the left-side translation button had hidden. Deleting a selection of items from browsing history is limited to about 5 items per second, as it deletes one then rebuilds the entire list before deleting the next.

If I'm listening to a podcast on headpones and an alarm goes off, it doesn't play the alarm through my headphones, it plays on device speakers only.

Podcast app's "Up Next" is a magical mystery list that can't be disabled or guided.

The "Do Not Disturb" mode can be activated unexpectedly, leading to missed calls, and cannot be deleted.

Localisation is inconsistent at every level, including system share sheet and behaviour of decimal separators.

I could go on, but you get the point. Apple's quality control just isn't visible in the software at this point.

toxik an hour ago | parent | next [-]

-4 makes sense if you understand that the input -2 is a unary minus operation. So typing -2 then hitting square only squares 2, not (-2). This is the same in eg Python so I'm not sure it's very controversial. I agree it's unexpected, though.

well_ackshually 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

"-4 makes sense if you consider that the calculator is so damn stupid it ignores every convention every single calculator has made in the past hundred years and instead copies behavior of a dumbass language" isn't exactly the praise you think it is.

criddell 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4".

When I do those exact keypresses I get the correct answer.

vbezhenar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

When I do those exact keypresses I also get "-4".

ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Good for you? The fact this happens on my versions of both MacOS and iOS means they didn't have automated tests covering this from day one.

Famously, "it works for me" is not how high quality software happens.

akerl_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> e.g. type this sequence into the calculator

Works perfectly for me.

wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The pricing gap also rules Apple out in a lot of markets. Almost nobody has Apple here in Spain, the only people i see are tourists and expats.

manuelabeledo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

While not as popular as Android, last time I checked iOS was at 28% market share. That’s hardly “almost nobody”.

wiseowise 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> browser is deemphasized on iOS, and so it’s weaker feature set matters less

That's precisely the OP's point. They gimped their browser so there's bigger incentive to use their proprietary system frameworks.

> iOS is generally easier to develop for because of less device differentiation

That's nonsense. What year are you from? I've heard this like 10 years ago when there only 1 or 2 current iPhone models in circulation.

> on average iOS has significantly wealthier users who tend to be higher return or paying customers (seriously, look it up). This in turn leads companies to invest more heavily in iOS.

If you offer subscription service, like Netflix/HBO/Nest or whatever, your main goal is volume, not how wealthy your demographic is.

> easier integration due to a narrow system services ecosystem (no Google vs Samsung slapfights)

Easier integration with what?

> unified platform advantage (apps written for iOS easily port to the watch and tablet, unlocking larger markets, and justifying greater spend in developing apps)

That's like Android's moat from the start, not bolted on during some 10+ major versions like on iOS. And it works much better, Android apps are truly the same apps. Not gimped, cut off things like Instagram on iOS (is it even fixed now?).

> apples review process is significantly stricter (for better or for worse)

Both are shit these days due to volume of shovelware produced.

jakub_g 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Re: iOS apps being easier to develop: device sizes are the minuscule of the problem.

The real problem is that Android vendors mess up with the OS in weird ways by adding custom ultra battery savers, removing APIs etc. which is much less predictable than dealing with a few Apple devices, that are more homogenous.

Then many vendors ship their own apps which are buggy and you need to know that vendor's Z Calendar app has a weird bug to account for.

Jedd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

FWIW, starting a sentence with "Honestly ..." always makes me think the rest of what this person has to say is dishonest.

Your BIO on HN is:

> I HAVEN'T SHOWERED AT ALL! THAT'S WHY I REEK! WORKING IN FINTECH! AIN'T SHAVED IN WEEKS! POUR CRUMBS FROM MY KEYBOARD! THAT'S WHAT I EAT! WROTE A CURRENCY LIBRARY! 3RD TIME THIS WEEK! LURKING HN! I PREFER /b/! IN MOM'S BASEMENT! I'M THIRTY THREE! IT'S 3'O'CLOCK AM! THAT'S WHEN I SLEEP! AH!!!! COME ON FUCK A GUY!!!!

What level of credibility are you seeking?

mystraline 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

So a sentence starting with "frankly" means they aren't a frankfurter?

fennecbutt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ngl I think that bio is hilarious.

barbecue_sauce an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

"Honestly" is a colloquialism used to indicate disbelief with the previous statement or to preface candidness. Choosing to interpret the colloquial use of "honestly" as an indication that everything else that person says is dishonest is a very weird trait I've only seen show up in grammarian literalists and pedants that only makes yourself seem like a disingenuous person.

B1FIDO an hour ago | parent [-]

"Not Gonna Lie": https://youtu.be/_ru0pnAnq7g?si=fKwnDNkRz6XQKDz5

jasode 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps?

I researched iOS vs Android last year so some of my info may be out of date but this is what I collected.

Apple iOS exclusives (or earlier app versions because devs prioritized iOS):

  ChatGPT iOS app -2 months before Android
  Sora -2 months before 2025-11 Android
  Bluesky iOS app -2 months before Android (February 2023 iOS invitation-only beta; April 2023, it was released for Android)
  Blackmagic Design camera 2023-09-15  -9 months before Android  2024-06-24
  Halide camera app  https://old.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/17klq40/what_are_some_good_examples_of_iphoneexclusive/k7efznt/
  Zoom F6  https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/software-product-page/software-sub-cat/F6-control-app/   https://apps.apple.com/us/app/f6-control/id1464118916
  Godox Light    https://www.diyphotography.net/godox-finally-launches-android-app-for-the-a1-but-only-for-some-phones/
  ForeFlight Mobile   https://support.foreflight.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004919307-Does-ForeFlight-Mobile-work-on-Android-devices  https://old.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/1883eya/the_authoritative_answer_to_why_isnt_foreflight/
  Adobe Fresco
  Procreate
  FlexRadio SmartSDR SSDR  2023-10-27T13:15:09+00:00  https://community.flexradio.com/discussion/8029186/smartsdr-for-android-device
Google Android app exclusives

  TouchDRO for milling
  Kodi media player
There really aren't many popular/prominent Android-only apps that's intended for direct consumer download from the Google Play Store. Instead, Android dominates in OEM use as "turnkey" and "embedded" base os as the GUI for their customized hardware devices:

  Amazon Fire Stick, car infotainment, music workstations, sewing machine GUI, geology soil tester, etc
If it's a typical mainstream user (browser + Youtube/Tiktok + WhatsApp etc), they won't see any iOS ecosystem advantages over Android.
palata 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It seems like a pretty arbitrary list to me...

Also Android has a bigger market share in the world than iOS, by a lot.

jasode an hour ago | parent [-]

>Also Android has a bigger market share in the world than iOS, by a lot.

The tone of that seems like you thought I was taking the discussion into fanboy evangelism and therefore Android needed to be defended. That wasn't the intent and I already tried to downplay my comment by stating the iOS ecosystem specifics do not matter to 99% of mainstream users. Yes, everybody on HN already knows Android has a much bigger market share.

The point was simply to inform the gp asking the question about iOS that there are apps and niches he may not be aware of. Nobody's trying to convince any reader of switching to iOS or that "iOS is superior" ... or vice versa!