| ▲ | deaux 3 hours ago |
| Correct. Neither do Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Apple - realistically they're even more dangerous, see the ICC. Ironically the first three being the main hosts of.. you guessed it, Palantir. Picking and choosing US big tech in this context is pointless, they're all as much of a risk as each other. And don't come with "you have to start somewhere", because you do, but then the place to start is slowly step-by-step getting off of the most critical ones, which are the first four I mentioned. |
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| ▲ | linkjuice4all 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It seems like there's a big opportunity for someone to hire a bunch of disenfranchised US devs that want to flee the country to build an EU-native cloud platform - but clearly there's enough talent on the continent already, so why hasn't this happened yet? |
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| ▲ | amarant 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It has! Here's a whole list of them, but others might exist too! https://european-alternatives.eu/category/cloud-computing-pl... | |
| ▲ | notpushkin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because it’s not a dev problem, it’s a sales problem. | | |
| ▲ | rorylawless 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The sales problem being there isn't anything viable to compete with the established players. Europe has the capability, even without immigration from the US, it just needs a kick to make good enough products. | | |
| ▲ | SilverElfin 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The EU should also create a new regulation to force everyone on the continent to move away from American companies. That’s one way to give the local startups a market to sell to. | | |
| ▲ | bigfudge 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’d be interested in arguments that EU providers could be equivalent to Azure … is it realistic to move a large university across for email and other cloud services? Might be the right time to start campaigning for institutions to divest from US tech stacks… |
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| ▲ | jacquesm an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is much more complicated than that. (1) Europe has a fragmented market; linguistically, product wise
(2) Silicon Valley is in the United States
(3) The United States has a very large amount of capital to throw at companies
(4) even if you managed to succeed in the EU your shares will most likely be bought out from under you if you raised capital
(5) all of the above re-inforce each other over time Once you have that kind of an advantage it is very hard to lose it. |
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| ▲ | davidw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Among other things, with everything going on in the US today, the CEOs of Apple and Amazon were apparently at the WH for a screening of the Melania film. |
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| ▲ | SilverElfin 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Amazon funded it. They paid $30 million or so for rights to the documentary for Amazon Prime. I doubt viewers will care about it, but I look at it as a bribe from Amazon to the administration. They give Melania and by extension Trump this money, and they will get better regulatory help and more government contracts. | | |
| ▲ | add-sub-mul-div 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I didn't even know this existed, let alone that it was made by Amazon. This makes their Chris Pratt garbage look like cinema. |
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| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's easy to start with Palantir because it simply doesn't provide any legitimate value. They don't do anything, at all, other than enable spying by weaving snippets of private data into a coherent whole. You don't have to explain the decision to well-meaning people who are inconvenienced, nor provide a transition plan for essential services, you can just yank the plug tomorrow and tell everyone who complains to buzz off. |
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| ▲ | rvz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Incoming big-tech sympathizers with defense contracts, boosters and hairsplitters in 3, 2, 1. |
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| ▲ | deaux 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | "No way, not a cent of my nest egg funded by papa Bezos comes from AWS FedRAMP High GovCloud massive sweet enterprise contracts with the likes of Palantir to host them at scale!" The truth is there's thousands if not tens of thousands of people on here for whom it is incredibly convenient to imagine their vests were granted in a completely different universe to the likes of Palantir. Deep down they know their companies realistically play an unfathomably bigger role in surveillance capatalism, crippling addictions, furthering of current US Party strongarming and a whole lot more. Exactly why many find it so cathartic to latch on to these threads and reinforce that cognitive dissonance. I didn't even mention Meta who bring about as much harm in a day as Palantir wish it could do in a year - make no mistake, I'm not suggesting the latter is for a lack of trying. Although the idea that Zuck is somehow any more ethical than Thiel is of course hilarious. But after all, you and me too are quite culpable in this moment, providing marketing and engagement for the platform behind Flock(YC S17). The exact source of all that data we're so angry about being loaded into the Palantir platforms. | | |
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