Why? Are you worried from a liberty/privacy standpoint? "Smart" EV's are demonstrated to be significantly safer than "dumb" EVs. Waymo’s 2025/2026 data shows an 80–90% reduction in injury-causing crashes compared to human drivers in the same cities. [1, 2, 3, 4]

[1] https://www.reinsurancene.ws/waymo-shows-90-fewer-claims-tha...

[2] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11305169/

[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39485678/

[4] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Comparison-of-Swiss-Re-h...

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somehnguy 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Personally I’m not very keen on owning a vehicle the manufacturer can completely brick at will

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stevenjgarner 5 hours ago | parent [-]

So liberty then. I don't disagree with you, but this modern flashpoint in the classic debate between individual liberty and collective safety does bring up the question what is saving 50,000+ lives annually actually worth in terms of loss of personal freedoms? I am personally struggling with this debate having lost loved ones in this manner.

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direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Remote bricking of cars does not save 50,000 lives.

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stevenjgarner 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That is not the argument being made. We are discussing how "dumb" vehicles (e.g. vehicles that contribute to 50,000+ fatalities annually) provide independence, privacy and freedom that "smart" vehicles (e.g. vehicles with self-driving that can be bricked at will) do not ensure.

	▲	mixmastamyk 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Also you are conflating thing the poster may not have intended. I’ve not heard anyone complain about collision avoidance systems, antilock brakes etc. But spying packages, and touchscreen dash, hell no.
	▲	dotancohen 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That actually is exactly the argument. GP posted about liberty concerns, he was met with claims of saving 50,000 lives.

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sagarm 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I assume GP meant cars with internet connectivity features, not (real) self driving tech.

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stevenjgarner 5 hours ago | parent [-]

The assertion that 'I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon' led me to a different assumption. The ultimate aspiration of a "smart" EV is self-driving, which incorporates Internet connectivity features (e.g. digital mapping, over the air updates, etc).

	▲	zdragnar 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"Smart" in all other classes of purchases typically means IoT / Internet connected. The computerization of formerly mechanical features making it harder to DIY repair is a separate but also valid concern, though I'm not sure how it applies to EVs. Added: see https://x.com/IntCyberDigest/status/2011758140510142890 for exactly the kind of thing that nobody wants.