So liberty then. I don't disagree with you, but this modern flashpoint in the classic debate between individual liberty and collective safety does bring up the question what is saving 50,000+ lives annually actually worth in terms of loss of personal freedoms? I am personally struggling with this debate having lost loved ones in this manner.

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direwolf20 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Remote bricking of cars does not save 50,000 lives.

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stevenjgarner 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That is not the argument being made. We are discussing how "dumb" vehicles (e.g. vehicles that contribute to 50,000+ fatalities annually) provide independence, privacy and freedom that "smart" vehicles (e.g. vehicles with self-driving that can be bricked at will) do not ensure.

	▲	mixmastamyk 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Also you are conflating thing the poster may not have intended. I’ve not heard anyone complain about collision avoidance systems, antilock brakes etc. But spying packages, and touchscreen dash, hell no.
	▲	dotancohen 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That actually is exactly the argument. GP posted about liberty concerns, he was met with claims of saving 50,000 lives.