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| ▲ | general1465 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Poland is a major logistical hub for everything going towards Ukraine. Thus targeting basic infrastructure like energy grid or railroad have to be expected. On the bright side, using these weapon grade malware is burning exploits and also showing current state and techniques of Russian cyberwarfare which defender can learn a lot from. | |
| ▲ | breve 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Russia is at war with Europe. | | |
| ▲ | dijit 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | before anyone jumps on the pedantry bandwagon, its worth noting that even though open war hasn’t been called: the attacks on infrastructure especially cyber warfare is extremely active and, crucially, direct. It is totally fair to say that in a digital context, Russia is absolutely at war with Europe. As far as I can tell, they don’t even try to hide it. | | |
| ▲ | cookiengineer 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Some could say that in the cyber realm, they are not petty, ya! Well, or something like that. Eversince notpetya and the colonial pipeline hack, the cyber strategy game changed a lot. Notpetya was genius as a deployment, because they abused the country's tax software deployment pipeline to cripple all (and I mean all, beyond 99%) businesses in one surgical strike. The same is gonna happen to other tax software providers, because the DATEV AG and similar companies are pretty much the definition of digital incompetence wherever you look. I could name other takedowns but the list would continue beyond a reasonable comment, especially with vendors like Hercules and Prophete that are now insolvent because they never prioritized cyber security at all, got hacked, didn't have backups, and ran out of money due to production plant costs. | |
| ▲ | reactordev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not to mention the information war they have been waging globally since 2016 | | | |
| ▲ | tosapple 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What I am starting to appreciate about these digital infrastructure attacks is that they may be reversible and or temporary. It can be a nice feature. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Then you're missing the point. If they succeed they may well not be reversible. The question is if this had succeeded would we have shrugged it off again or responded appropriately? | | |
| ▲ | tosapple 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I wasn't commenting on any particular case. I was stating that flipping a switch is less costly to reverse than blowing up a dam. | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | These attacks are not at the level of 'flipping a switch'. If they succeed they can destabilize the grid and that has the potential to destroy gear, and while not as costly as blowing up a dam it can still be quite costly. | | |
| ▲ | tosapple 16 minutes ago | parent [-] | | During WW2 both germany and the UK as example were carpet bombed to assail industry, does that help you to understand my position better? Vietnam too. | | |
| ▲ | shakna 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Not really. If you succeed in attacking the grid, you achieve the same widespread industry impact, without the cost of the munitions. It can take decades to recover from a cyber attack like this, if it succeeds. |
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| ▲ | rdtsc 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does Europe overall feel and act like that’s the case though? It seems as if the European war has been pushed to the background recently, and most people kind of forgot about it. If you walk down the streets of Paris or Berlin does it look like it’s wartime, do people talk about it much, do they share the latest front news and so on? | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba an hour ago | parent [-] | | >If you walk down the streets of Paris or Berlin does it look like it’s wartime, Like what exactly would you want them to do? Run around screaming because there's a war 2000 km away from them? No, people just go on with their lives, doing their jobs, taking care of family and friends, paying their taxes, so that specialized workers in the ministry of defence can take care of the war stuff for them. That's how modern society works. It's even similar in Kiev, when you walk down the streets you see people living their lives. Gyms, bars, cafes, are full. People don't stop living and enjoying their daily lives just because there's a war somewhere else. |
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| ▲ | redeeman 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | have you seen the competence in those who manage the infrastructure? i'd say i would need significant proof before assuming anything. And IF russia is doing it, I would still say that we should put 99% blame on the absolute incompetents running the infrastructure, 1% russia. | | |
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| ▲ | tokai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Russia is currently focused at striking Ukrainian energy assets. Ukraine get energy imports from EU through Hungary and Poland. Hampering energy supply from Poland would but a huge strain on the already struggling Ukrainian network. | |
| ▲ | IncreasePosts 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The most obvious answer is Russia(or one of their allies like China or Iran) did it because Poland is supporting Ukraine in the war (directly, and also indirectly by letting stuff from other countries be staged and move through Poland). |
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