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tokyobreakfast 2 hours ago

Absent the source code, it's incredibly difficult to disprove when the only proof you have is good vibes.

otterley 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There are many things you can't prove or disprove in this world. That's where trust and reputation comes in - to fill the uncertainty gap.

fsflover 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

You mean, trust and reputation of Apple? They're not exactly high:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216

otterley 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

At the end of the day, it's all about how you weigh the evidence. If those examples are sufficient to tip the scales for you, that's your choice. However, Apple's overall trustworthiness--particular when it comes to protecting people's sensitive data--remains high for in the market. Even the examples you posted aren't especially pertinent to that (except for iCloud Keychain, where the complaint isn't whether Apple is securely storing it, but the fact that it got transmitted to them in the first place, and there exists some unresolved ambiguity about whether it is appropriately deleted on demand).