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fsflover 2 hours ago

You mean, trust and reputation of Apple? They're not exactly high:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46252114

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216

ezfe an hour ago | parent | next [-]

None of these really match the scenario we're discussing here. Some are typical big company stuff, some are technical edge cases, but none are "Apple lies about a fundamental security practice consistently and with malice"

PlatoIsADisease 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

Cognitive Dissonance. You already made up your mind, no evidence will change it. Any evidence you get is cast aside for one reason or another.

otterley 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

At the end of the day, it's all about how you weigh the evidence. If those examples are sufficient to tip the scales for you, that's your choice. However, Apple's overall trustworthiness--particular when it comes to protecting people's sensitive data--remains high for in the market. Even the examples you posted aren't especially pertinent to that (except for iCloud Keychain, where the complaint isn't whether Apple is securely storing it, but the fact that it got transmitted to them in the first place, and there exists some unresolved ambiguity about whether it is appropriately deleted on demand).