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148 points by rocauc 2 hours ago | 101 comments
ppchain an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The point they seem to be making is that AI can "orchestrate" the real world even if it can't interact physically. I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you.

However even by that metric I don't see how Claude is doing that. Seth is the one researching the suppliers "with the help of" Claude. Seth is presumably the one deciding when to prompt Claude to make decisions about if they should plant in Iowa in how many days. I think I could also grow corn if someone came and asked me well defined questions and then acted on what I said. I might even be better at it because unlike a Claude output I will still be conscious in 30 seconds.

That is a far cry from sitting down at a command like and saying "Do everything necessary to grow 500 bushels of corn by October".

riazrizvi a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

Yes. In other words, this is a nice exemplification of the issue that AI lacks world models. A case study to work through.

lukev 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right. This whole process still appears to have a human as the ultimate outer loop.

Still an interesting experiment to see how much of the tasks involved can be handled by an agent.

But unless they've made a commitment not to prompt the agent again until the corn is grown, it's really a human doing it with agentic help, not Claude working autonomously.

embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

These experiments always seems to end up requiring the hand-holding of a human at top, seemingly breaking down the idea behind the experiment in the first place. Seems better to spend the time and energy on finding better ways for AI to work hand-in-hand with the user, empowering them, rather than trying to find the areas where we could replace humans with as little quality degradation as possible. That whole part feels like a race to the bottom, instead of making it easier for the ones involved to do what they do.

santadays 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I can definitely believe that in 2026 someone at their computer with access to money can send the right emails and make the right bank transfers to get real people to grow corn for you.

I think this is the new turing test. Once it's been passed we will have AGI and all the Sam Altmans of the world will be proven correct. (This isn't a perfect test obviously, but neither was the turing test)

If it fails to pass we will still have what jdthedisciple pointed out

> a non-farmer, is doing professional farmer's work all on his own without prior experience

I am actually curious how many people really believe AGI will happen. Theres alot of talk about it, but when can I ask claude code to build me a browser from scratch and I get a browser from scratch. Or when can I ask claude code to grow corn and claude code grows corn. Never? In 2027? In 2035? In the year 3000?

HN seems rife with strong opinions on this, but does anybody really know?

LoganDark an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Using the example from the article, I guess restaurant managers need handholding by the chefs and servers, seemingly breaking down the idea behind restaurants, yet restaurants still exist.

The point, I think, is that even if LLMs can't directly perform physical operations, they can still make decisions about what operations are to be performed, and through that achieve a result.

And I also don't think it's fair to say there's no point just because there's a person prompting and interpreting the LLM. That happens all the time with real people, too.

embedding-shape 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

> And I also don't think it's fair to say there's no point just because there's a person prompting and interpreting the LLM. That happens all the time with real people, too.

Yes, what I'm trying to get at, it's much more vital we nail down the "person prompting and interpreting the LLM" part instead of focusing so much on the "autonomous robots doing everything".

LoganDark a few seconds ago | parent [-]

I feel you're still missing the point of the experiment... The entire thing was based on how Claude felt empowering -- "I felt like I could do anything with software from my terminal"... It's not at all about autonomous robots.

jdthedisciple an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So Seth, as presumably a non-farmer, is doing professional farmer's work all on his own without prior experience? Is that what you're saying?

culi an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nobody is denying that this is AI-enabled but that's entirely different from "AI can grow corn".

Also Seth a non-farmer was already capable of using Google, online forums, and Sci-Hub/Libgen to access farming-related literature before LLMs came on the scene. In this case the LLM is just acting as a super-charged search engine. A great and useful technology, sure. But we're not utilizing any entirely novel capabilities here

And tbh until we take a good crack at World Models I doubt we can

NewsaHackO 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think is that a lot of professional work is not about entirely novel capabilities either, most professionals get the major revenue from bread and butter cases that apply already known solutions to custom problems. For instance, a surgeon taking out an appendix is not doing a novel approach to the problem every time.

tjr 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would say that Seth is farming just as much as non-developers are now building software applications.

nonethewiser an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1) You are right and its impressive if he can use AI to bootstrap becoming a farmer

2) Regardless, I think it proves a vastly understated feature of AI: It makes people confident.

The AI may be truly informative, or it may hallucinate, or it may simply give mundane, basic advice. Probably all 3 at times. But the fact that it's there ready to assert things without hesitation gives people so much more confidence to act.

You even see it with basic emails. Myself included. I'm just writing a simple email at work. But I can feed it into AI and make some minor edits to make it feel like my own words and I can just dispense with worries about "am i giving too much info, not enough, using the right tone, being unnecessarily short or overly greating, etc." And its not that the LLMs are necessarily even an authority on these factors - it simply bypasses the process (writing) which triggers these thoughts.

kokanee 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

I started to write a logical rebuttal, but forget it. This is just so dumb. A guy is paying farmers to farm for him, and using a chatbot to Google everything he doesn't know about farming along the way. You're all brainwashed.

nonethewiser 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

What specifically are you disagreeing with? I dont think its trivial for someone with no farming experience to successfully farm something within a year.

>A guy is paying farmers to farm for him

Read up on farming. The labor is not the complicated part. Managing resources, including telling the labor what to do, when, and how is the complicated part. There is a lot of decision making to manage uncertainty which will make or break you.

tekno45 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

trying. until you can eat it, you're just fucking around.

nonethewiser an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Thats not the point of the original commenter. The point of the original commenter is that he expects Claude can inform him well enough to be a farm manager and its not impressive since Seth is the primary agent.

I think it is impressive if it works. Like I mentioned in a sibling comment I think it already definitely proves something LLMs have accomplished though, and that is giving people tremendous confidence to try things.

LoganDark an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

He's writing it down, so it's also science.

ge96 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Would be crazy it's looking through satellite imagery and is like "buy land in Africa" or whatever and gets a farm going there

zeckalpha 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Another way to look at it is that Seth is a Tool that Claude can leverage.

CommieBobDole a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn't really an impressive test; growing corn is an extremely well-documented solved problem, the sort of thing that we already know LLMs excel at. An LLM that couldn't reliably tell you what to do at each step of the corn-farming process would be a very poor LLM.

This seems like something along the lines of "We know we can use Excel to calculate profit/loss for a Mexican restaurant, but will it work for a Tibetan-Indonesian fusion restaurant? Nobody's ever done that before!"

bluGill an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Polk County Iowa is where Des Moines is - the largest city in Iowa. (I live the next county over, but I bike to Polk county all the time) This is not a good location to run this because the farm land is owned by farmer/investors or farmer/developers - either way everybody knows the farm will become a suburb in the next 20 years and has priced accordingly (and if the timeline is is less than 5 years they have switched to mining mode - strip out the last fertility before the development destroys the land anyway). Which is to say you can get much better land deals elsewhere (and by making your search wider) - sometimes the price might be higher but that is because the land/soil is better.

Overall I don't think this is useful. They might or might not get good results. However it is really hard to beat the farmer/laborer who lives close to the farm and thus sees things happen and can react quickly. There is also great value in knowing your land, though they should get records of what has happened in the past (this is all in a computer, but you won't always get access to it when you buy/lease land). Farmers are already using computers to guide decisions.

My prediction: they lose money. Not because the AI does stupid things (though that might happen), but because last year harvests were really good and so supply and demand means many farms will lose money no matter what you do. But if the weather is just right he could make a lot of money when other farmers have a really bad harvest (that is he has a large harvest but everyone else has a terrible harvest).

Iowa has strong farm ownership laws. There is real risk he will get shutdown somehow because what he is doing is somehow illegal. I'm not sure what the laws are, check with a real lawyer. (This is why Bill Gates doesn't own Iowa farm land - he legally can't do what he wants with Iowa farm land)

Yeroc 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you spend time on the website you can see the plan is to rent (only!) 5 acres of land for this project. Since it's a lease only and such a small plot it seems unlikely to get him into trouble. Given the small size though I'm dubious he'll find it easy to get any custom operators interested in doing a job that small!

bluGill 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can find such custom operators - but those are not deal made over the internet, they are made in person with a handshake. Generally the cost to get all the equipment there is - in a good year - all of your possible profit for something that small. Tractors are slow on the road. Once the tractor is there the implement needs to unfold (best case - worse case your combine header is pulled in via a separate truck and needs to be attached). You need to clean the machine out after every field and put new seed in... It isn't worth planting 5 acres of corn. You need volume - and in turn a lot of land - to make corn work.

bjt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It reminds me of when I worked at an ag tech startup for a few years. We visited farms up and down the central valley of California, and the general tone toward Silicon Valley is an intense dislike of overconfident 20-somethings with a prototype who think they're going to revolutionize agriculture in some way, but are far, far away from having enough context to see the constraints they're operating under and the tradeoffs being made.

Replacing the farm manager with an AI multiplies that problem by a hundred. A thousand? A million? A lot. AI may get some sensor data but it's not going to stick its hand in the dirt and say "this feels too dry". It won't hear the weird pinging noise that the tractor's been making and describe it to the mechanic. It may try to hire underlings but, how will it know which employees are working hard and which ones are stealing from it? (Compare Anthropic's experiments with having AI run a little retail store, and get tricked into selling tungsten cubes at a steep discount.)

I got excited when I opened the website and at first had the impression that they'd actually gotten AI to grow something. Instead it's built a website and sent some emails. Not worth our attention, yet.

knowitnone3 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

what is Bill Gates wanting to do with Iowa farm land?

jayd16 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not a huge fan of these experiments that subject the public to your random AI spam. So far it's bothered 10 companies directly with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested?

deejaaymac an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not a huge fan of the unsolicited spam/letters/coupons/etc I get in my mail box from businesses and there's no way for me to opt out.

nonethewiser 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This isn't even that - isn't it contacting people about using services they publicly offer?

jayd16 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure how relevant that is but yeah, that sucks too.

LoganDark an hour ago | parent [-]

I think they're saying that businesses getting unsolicited offers from the LLM is similar to regular people getting unsolicited offers from businesses.

jovial_cavalier 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can actually act on the advertisements and coupons, though. And the companies who sent those offers to you are obligated to abide by them. This potentially would be like if you got a BOGO coupon in the mail and when you tried to redeem it, they just pretended like it didn't exist.

awesome_dude an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

FTR Some jurisdictions have laws where you can place a sign on your letterbox to prohibit that sort of spam from being placed in your mail.

kennywinker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But harassing people is one of AI’s greatest strengths!

ge96 an hour ago | parent [-]

brb doing a Clause master class talk at $500 a head

nonethewiser 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>So far it's bothered 10 companies directly with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested?

Aren't these companies in the business of leasing land? I dont see how contacting them about leasing land would be spam or bothering them. And I dont really know what you mean by "with no legal authority to actually follow up with what is requested."

treis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's cute but it seems like it's mostly going to come down to hiring a person to grow corn. Pretty cool that an AI can (sort of) do that autonomously but it's not quite the spirit of the challenge.

pfdietz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

User: Claude, determine the height of the building using this barometer.

Claude: Go to the owner of the building and say "if you tell me the height of your building I will give you this fine barometer."

bwestergard an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Right. If this level of indirection is allowed, the most efficient way to "grow corn" by the light of the original post would simply be to buy and hold Farmland Partners Inc (NYSE: FPI).

fuzzfactor 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'd like to see Fred follow right along and allocate the same amount of funds for deployment starting at the same time as each of Seth's expenditures or solid commitments.

The timing might need to be different but it would be good to see what the same amounts invested would yield from corn on the commodity market as well as from securities in farming partnerships.

Would it be fair if AI was used to play these markets too, or in parallel?

It would be interesting to see how different "varieties" of corn perform under the same calendar season.

Corn, nothing but corn as the actual standard of value :)

You don't get much any way you look at it for your $12.99 but it's a start.

Making a batch of popcorn now, I can already smell the demand on the rise :)

fishtoaster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, this feels right on the cusp of being interesting. I think that, being charitable, it could be interesting if it turns out to be successful in hiring and coordinating several people and physical assets over a long time horizon. For example, it'd be pretty cool if it could:

1. Do some research (as it's already done)

2. Rent the land and hire someone to grow the corn

3. Hire someone to harvest it, transport it, and store it

4. Manage to sell it

Doing #1 isn't terribly exciting - it's well established that AIs are pretty good at replacing an hour of googling - but if it could run a whole business process like this, that'd be neat.

malfist an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Is that actually growing corn with AI though? Seems to me that a human planted the corn, thinned it, weeded it, harvested it, and stored it. What did AI do in that process? Send an email?

9rx an hour ago | parent [-]

It is trying to take over the job of the farmer. Planting, harvesting, etc. is the job of a farmhand (or custom operator). Everyone is working to try to automate the farmhand out of a job, but the novelty here is the thinking that it is actually the farmer who is easiest to automate away.

But,

"I will buy fucking land with an API via my terminal"

Who has multiple millions of dollars to drop on an experiment like that?

jt2190 an hour ago | parent [-]

> [Seth is using AI to try] to take over the job of the farmer. Planting, harvesting, etc. is the job of a farmhand (or custom operator).

Ok then Seth is missing the point of the challenge: Take over the role of the farmhand.

> Everyone is working to try to automate the farmhand out of a job, but the novelty here is the thinking that it is actually the farmer who is easiest to automate away.

Everyone knows this. There is nothing novel here. Desk jockeys who just drive computers all day (the Farmer in this example) are _far_ easier to automate away than the hands-on workers (the farmhand). That’s why it would be truly revolutionary to replace the farmhand.

Or, said another way: Anything about growing corn that is “hands on” is hard to automate, all the easy to automate stuff has already been done. And no, driving a mouse or a web browser doesn’t count as “hands on”.

9rx an hour ago | parent [-]

> all the easy to automate stuff has already been done.

To be fair, all the stuff that hasn't been automated away is the same in all cases, farmer and farmhand alike: Monitoring to make sure the computer systems don't screw up.

The bet here is that LLMs are past the "needs monitoring" stage and can buy a multi-million dollar farm, along with everything else, without oversight and Seth won't be upset about its choices in the end. Which, in fairness, is a more practical (at least less risky form a liability point of view) bet than betting that a multi-million dollar X9 without an operator won't end up running over a person and later upside-down in the ditch.

He may have many millions to spend on an experiment, but to truly put things to the test would require way more than that. Everyone has a limit. An MVP is a reasonable start. v2 can try to take the concept further.

pfdietz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Or, just buy some corn futures. By slightly increasing the price of this instrument, it slightly signals farmers to increase production. Corn grown!

bluGill an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is more than that. He needs to decide which corn seed to plant (he is behind here - seed companies run sales if you order in October for delivery in mid march). He needs to decide what fertilizer to apply, and when. He needs to monitor the crop - he might or might not need to buy and apply a fungicide. He needs to decide when to harvest - too early and he pays a lot of money to dry the corn (and likely money to someone you hired to work who doesn't do anything), but too late and a storm can blow the corn off the cob... Those are just a few of the things a farmer needs to figure out that the AI would need to do (but will it)

TheRealPomax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There was no challenge. There was a statement, "AI can write code, but it can't affect the physical world."

kennywinker an hour ago | parent [-]

Tell that to all the car accidents caused by people distracted by siri, the people who’ve done horrible things because of AI induced psychosis, or the lives ruined by ai stock trading algorithms.

dsjoerg 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Can AI grow corn?"

Let's step back.

"there's a gap between digital and physical that AI can't cross"

Can intelligence of ANY kind, artificial or natural, grow corn? Do physical things?

Your brain is trapped in its skull. How does it do anything physical?

With nerves, of course. Connected to muscle. It's sending and receiving signals, that's all its doing! The brain isn't actually doing anything!

The history of humanity's last 300k years tells you that intelligence makes a difference, even though it isn't doing anything but receiving and sending signals.

guerrilla 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Looks like proof of cheating to me, at least for now. Definitely a step in an interesting direction, but not exactly SkyNet.

divbzero 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Want to help? Iowa land leads, ag expertise, vibe coders welcome: [email at proofofcorn dot com]

To make this a full AI experiment, emails to this inbox should be fielded by Claude as well.

DoctorOW an hour ago | parent [-]

Why do I need to help? Is this an experiment to see if it can do it on its own, or just another "project" where they give AI credit for human's work for marketing purposes?

deathanatos an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Didn't want to have it make paperclips, eh?

(And if you read the linked post, … like this value function is established on a whim, with far less thought than some of the value-functions-run-amok in scifi…)

(and if you've never played it: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html )

geuis an hour ago | parent [-]

That game is entirely too addictive especially at 3am.

omnicognate an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Coordinates human operators

"Thinking quickly, Dave constructs a homemade megaphone, using only some string, a squirrel, and a megaphone."

ranprieur 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AI doesn't need to drive a tractor. It needs to orchestrate the systems and people who do.

Pure dystopia.

dsjoerg 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

What work DO you want the humans to do?

The endless complaining and goalposting shifting is exhausting

bradgranath 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the literal definition of a Reverse Centaur.

https://pluralistic.net/2025/12/05/pop-that-bubble/

nvader 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is a very intriguing experiment!

I'll be following along, and I'm curious what kind of harness you'll put on TOP of Claude code to avoid it stalling out on "We have planted 16/20 fields so far, and irrigated 9/16. Would you like me to continue?"

I'd also like to know what your own "constitution" is regarding human oversight and intervention. Presumably you wouldn't want your investment to go down the drain if Claude gets stuck in a loop, or succumbs to a prompt injection attack to pay a contractor 100% of it's funds, or decides to water the fields with Brawndo.

How much are you allowing yourself to step in, and how will you document those interventions?

orange_joe 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

contra-pessimism: My parents run a small organic farm on the east coast — (greenhouses, not row crops) and they extensively use chatgpt for decision making They obviously haven’t built out agentic data gathering, but can easily prompt it with the required information. they’re quite happy with everything.

I’m guessing this will screw up in assuming infinite labor & equipment liqudity.

Spoom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AI doesn't need to drive a tractor. It needs to orchestrate the systems and people who do.

I've been rather expecting AI to start acting as a manager with people as its arms in the real world. It reminds me of the Manna short story[1], where it acts as a people manager with perfect intelligence at all times, interconnected not only with every system but also with other instances in other companies (e.g. for competitive wage data to minimize opex / pay).

1. https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

throwway120385 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah I came here to post this. This is the other thing we're going to see. And it doesn't have to be perfect to orchestrate people, it just has to be mediocre or better and it will be better than 50% of humans.

lbrito 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is lopsided. Technology promised to remove drudgery from our lives, and now we're seeing experiments that automate all the easy, air-conditioned decision making while still delegating the toil to humans

Unequivocally awful

dsjoerg 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

You've told the humans:

"Stop staring at screens"

"Stop sitting at your desk all day"

"Stop loafing around contributing nothing just sending orders from behind a computer"

"Touch grass"

but now that the humans are finally gonna get out and DO something you're outraged

lbrito 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

So the choice is either stare into screens the whole day or be bossed by an AI doing manual labor? Is that a serious argument?

japoneris 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Similar to the growing tomato stuff with claude https://x.com/d33v33d0/status/2006221407340867881 Your project seems more achieved !

solomonb 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Corn Demon is alive and well in 2026.

starkparker 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If this is a joke, it's a bad one. If it's not, it's even dumber.

The point could be made by having it design and print implements for an indoor container grow and then run lights and water over a microcontroller. Like Anthropic's vending machine this would also be an already addressed, if not solved, space for both home manufacturing and ag/garden automation.

It'd still be novel to see an LLM figure it out from scratch step by step, and a hell of a lot more interesting than whatever the fuck this is. Googling farmland in Iowa or Texas and then writing instructions for people to do the actual work isn't novel or interesting; of course an LLM can write and fill out forms. But the end result still primarily relies on people to execute those forms and affect the world, invalidating the point. Growing corn would be interesting, project managing corn isn't.

socalgal2 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HN type "about the website itself, not it's content" comment but ... it would be great if we could somehow get the major browser vendors to agree on some monospaced fonts. I'm on M1 Mac and the small ASCII diagram, nothing lines up (Safari/Firefox/Chrome). I see this on many ASCII diagrams. Maybe that's the site's fault. Not sure)

travisgriggs an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm waiting for the "Can it do Management?" experiment.

I do not have a positive impression/experience of most middle/low level management in corporate world. Over 30 years in the workforce, I've watched it evolve to a "secretary/clerk, usually male, who agrees to be responsible for something they know little about or not very good at doing, pretend at orchestrating".

Like growing corn, lots of literature has been written about it. So models have lots to work with and synthesize. Why not automate the meetings and metric gatherings and mindless hallucinations and short sighted decisions that drone-ish be-like-the-other-manager people do?

recursive 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is still just going to be hiring someone else to grow corn, but with extra steps. The AI part seems kind of slapped-on here.

esafak 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That looks like a lot of work with little payoff for a bar bet. I'd have said "Sure, Fred, whatever you say."

FuturisticLover an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I am not sure how it different than what we do with llms on daily basis.

We feed it the information as a context to help us make a plan or strategy to achieve or get something.

They are also doing the same. They will be feeding the sensor, weather and other info, so claude can give them plan to execute.

Ultimately, they need to execute everything.

nonethewiser an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can lease 5 acres in Iowa for $1370? Per month I guess? In which case it will be $1370 * m. Not clear from here: https://proofofcorn.com/

pragmatic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But "AI" already does drive the tractor/combine/sprayer etc.

Look up precision ag.

fhennig 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lol, the farmer also doesn‘t grow corn, their workers in the fields do.

nxobject an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Given how the front page's ASCII diagram is misaligned on my browser, I think I have a few concerns about factors that might lead to, well, oversights...

dieggsy 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ha! I was going to disagree, but then I realized I force most monospace html entities to use a specific font in my browser (using a wildcard stylus stylesheet). This is quite nice to normalize things (and sidestep atrocious font choices) actually.

Anyway, turned it off; sure enough, misaligned.

itsafarqueue 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Slop.

I have zero doubt Claude is going to do what AI does and plough forward. Emails will get sent, recommendations made, stuff done.

And it will be slop. Worse than what it does with code, the outcomes of which are highly correlated with the expertise of the user past a certain point.

Seth wins his point. AI can, via humans giving it permission to do things, affect the world. So can my chaos monkey random script.

Fred should have qualified: _usefully_ affect the world. Deliver a margin of Utility.

We’re miles off that high bar.

Disclosure: all in on AI

serhack_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

   choice = random() % 5

   switch choice:

      case 0: blog_post

      case 1: tell_to_plant_corn
 
      case 2: register_website
  
      case 3: pause
  
      case 4: move_money
dsr_ 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So... the only job that LLM can replace in the chain here is CEO.

space_greg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminds me of this project from friends of mine:

https://autonomousforest.org/map

jovial_cavalier 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can make corn too. I go to the supermarket and hand them these little green pieces of paper, and then I have corn.

Seriously, what does this prove? The AI isn't actually doing anything, it's just online shopping basically. You're just going to end up paying grocery store prices for agricultural quantities of corn.

Kkoala an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Interesting!

But where is the prompt or api calls to Claude? I can't see that in the repo

Or did Claude generate the code and repo too? And there is a separate project to run it

citizenpaul 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This actually is a good summary of my theory of AI. The best use case for AI is replacing management. Thats the real reason AI is floundering right now with making money. The people in charge would literally need to admit that they are basically no longer needed and act accordingly.

This of course will never happens so instead those in power will continue to try to shoehorn AI into making slaves which is what they want, but not the ideal usage for AI.

jollyllama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

See also: King Corn [0] - in which two random guys try to grow an acre of corn and learn about industrialized agriculture in the proces.

[0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1112115/

bstsb 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

somewhat related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46311144

jpmattia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the most intriguing part of this effort: Farmers traditionally employ machines to achieve their harvest. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the first time that machines are employing humans to achieve their harvest.

I mean, more or less, but you see what I'm getting at.

kennywinker an hour ago | parent [-]

> Farmers traditionally employ machines to achieve their harvest

Most food is picked by migrant laborers, not machines.

mvidal01 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

It depends on the crop. Corn (Maize): Harvested using combine harvesters that pick, husk, and shell the grain. Sweet Corn might be the exception. Soybeans: Harvested using combines to cut and thresh the plants. Wheat, Barley, and Oats: Harvested using combines to cut, thresh, and clean the grain. Cotton: Harvested mechanically using cotton pickers or strippers. Rice: Mechanically harvested with combines when the stalks are dry. Potatoes and Root Vegetables: Lifted from the ground using mechanical harvesters that separate soil from the produce. Lettuce, Spinach, and Celery: Mostly hand-harvested by crews, though automation is increasing. Berries (Strawberries, Blueberries): Primarily hand-picked for fresh market quality, though some are machine-harvested for processing. Tree Fruits (Apples, Cherries): Mostly hand-picked to prevent bruising, though some processing cherries use tree shakers. Wine Grapes: Frequently harvested by hand to ensure quality, especially for high-end wines. Peppers and Tomatoes: Processed tomatoes are machine-harvested, while fresh peppers are largely hand-picked.

silveira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://farm.bot/ exists.

tsunamifury 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Several things about LLMs make this a hard or complex experiment and maybe too much for the current tech.

1) context: lack of sensors and sensor processing, maybe solvable with web cams in the field but manual labor required for soil testing etc

2)Time bias: orchestration still has a massive recency bias in LLMs and a huge underweighting of established ground truth. Causing it to weave and pivot on recent actions in a wobbly overcorrecting style.

3) vagueness: by and large most models still rely on non committal vagueness to hide a lack of detailed or granular expertise. This granular expertise tends to hallucinate more or just miss context more and get it wrong.

I’m curious how they plan to overcome this. It’s the right type of experiment, but I think too ambitious of a scale.

BenoitEssiambre an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI CEOs are coming.

futuraperdita 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

AI middle managers are coming. The highest-level corporate authority can and will continue to exist as a person that makes sure the AI systems are running correctly and skim profits off the top of the AI substructure, with the lowest stratum being an underclass precariat doing the hands-on tickets from an AI agent at a continuously adjusted market price for the task.

qoez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Eventually robots will do this but as long as humans do the actual irl actions it makes me think of a dystopian future where all leadership decision are made by harsh micromanaging AI bosses and low paying physical labor is the only job around for humans.

moffkalast an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AI doesn't need to drive a tractor. It needs to orchestrate the systems and people who do.

If people are involved then it's not an autonomous system. You could replace the orchestrator with the average logic defined expert system. Like come on, farming AGVs have come a long way, at least do it properly.

gritspants an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your job is to grow corn.

Claude: Oh. My. God.

Night_Thastus an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It's...interesting but I feel like people keep forgetting that LLMs like Claude don't really...think(?). Or learn. Or know what 'corn' or a 'tractor' is. They don't really have any memory of past experiences or a working memory of some current state.

They're (very impressive) next word predictors. If you ask it 'is it time to order more seeds?' and the internet is full of someone answering 'no' - that's the answer it will provide. It can't actually understand how many there currently are, the season, how much land, etc, and do the math itself to determine whether it's actually needed or not.

You can babysit it and engineer the prompts to be as leading as possible to the answer you want it to give - but that's about it.

jablongo an hour ago | parent [-]

I think you could have credibly said this for a while during 2024 and earlier, but there is a lot of research that indicates LLMs are more than stochastic parrots, as some researchers claimed earlier on. Souped up versions of LLMs have performed at the gold medal level in the IMO, which should give you pause in dismissing them. "It can't actually understand how many there currently are, the season, how much land, etc, and do the math itself to determine whether it's actually needed or not" --- modern agents actually can do this.

Night_Thastus 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

They are 100% stochastic parrots.

The worlds most impressive stochastic parrot, resulting from billions of dollars of research by some of the world's most advanced mathematicians and computer scientists.

And capable of some very impressive things. But pretending their limitations don't exist doesn't serve anyone.