Was this done heavily LLM assisted? Especially the PDF Edit tools have user-interaction quirks and bugs that a human developer would catch immediately during the regular manual testing when developing.

I'd suggest you at least try and mitigate that by having the LLM do extensive e2e testing if you aren't interested in using your own product.

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PinguTS an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, and I have the feeling it is not tested at all.

It offers Word -> PDF conversion. Just for interest I tried it and it doesn't even get the simplest page right. It puts the filename into an header. The test page had 4 images, one svg, one pdf (from svg), and another variation of the first 2. The generated PDF only contains 2 of those images with wrong sizes. The later two are missing. So it's basically completely useless.

The free of charge LibreOffice gives much better results with its own caveats.

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pratik227 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s still a work in progress. I used an LLM to speed up development, and I’ve done the testing, but I’ll keep improving it no doubt

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jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

How much of this is LLM derived and how much of it is yours?

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Bigpet 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't even care about that. My suggestion to him was earnest. I don't have a problem with LLMs. Just with how people use them. I just don't like "slop". I see the same user-interaction problems every time.

I just don't want people to litter their heavily polished immaculately styled products that have so clearly bad user-interaction design. E2e testing and closing the loop on LLMs does seem to help here.

Though I really would prefer people click around their own product for at least 5 minutes.

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jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It matters to me. Depending on the ratio there is a line between 'LLM assisted' and 'LLM derived'. There are enough samples of open source code around this theme out there that this could be one of either and the goal to commercialize it is a messy one if the provenance of the code isn't clear. It would be great to see this sort of thing litigated so that there is at least some clarity rather than just a moral stance.

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pratik227 an hour ago | parent [-]

So Claude Workspace is also written using the Claude LLM—does that mean you would stop using the product?

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jacquesm an hour ago | parent [-]

That's whataboutism, we're not discussing Claude Workspace, we're discussing 'Pdfwithlove' so you are avoiding answering the question.

	▲	pratik227 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		don't want to go in debate. It's ok, I used LLM to make a product faster

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pwatsonwailes an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

None of it is them, all of it is LLMs.